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I'm going to copy this message to Locke, MvP and Lolpie's respective talk pages

/me awaits getting masses of emails :P   Michael von Preußen | talk

Looks good to me.  ~   Locke    talk    contribs    nation   23:28, Friday, 10 February 2012 (ET)

One thing I'd suggest adding is using {{citation link}} as a method. It's how I added references to Jamahiriya (2nd). The template could probably be improved, since I'm 90% sure I made it solely for that page I made it very sloppily for Victory (statue), but it's a good way to add quick references without having to bother with a references section at the page bottom.   Michael von Preußen | talk
Well, you have to keep in mind, any average contributor who manages to find his way to CN:CITE and cares to follow it is going to have to learn how to use <ref></ref> and <references/> tags anyway. So I don't see that it would be too much of a stretch.   Michael von Preußen | talk

Re: assistance por favor

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "columns inside columns". Are you trying to get it so that the tables - Blocs, MDoAP, etc., are all the same height compared to the ones beside them?   Michael von Preußen | talk

Alright, well, I'll work on it a bit. Honestly, I'm not sure it's possible. I tend to achieve similar effects on my website either by eliminating borders, making it appear to be the same height, or with JavaScript. I'll see what I can do, though.   Michael von Preußen | talk
I give up. :/ Personally, I'd just kill the borders on the tables, so that there's no distinction between their heights. If you want to mess around with it some more, this was the resource I was trying and failing to implement.   Michael von Preußen | talk

Re: Stuff

CN:CITE looks good. I guess I've kind of been doing that myself, I prefer just using a link. One change I'd make is that citations should be formatted as those on Wikipedia should be. For example, I'd do <ref>[[Rogal Dorn#Media Corps - Wiki Division|Citation]]</ref> instead of putting the raw URL in the ref tags. Makes things look nicer. And of course Wikipedia has all kinds of templates for that stuff, so we could make some too if it would be helpful.

Also, I couldn't help messing with your sub-columns code. I found out that for each line that the longest column has beyond the column you're trying to match to it, you can add bottom padding equal to 1.25 times the line height times that number of lines, and that will make the bottom borders even. (The line-height on pages is 20px, at least in my custom CSS.) So, for example, the Blocs table would get 75px of bottom padding and the MDPs one would get 100px. I also found that the Blocs table could alternatively use 5.75em bottom padding, though I'm not sure how that could be derived. But then this method only works in preview, and when I log out the tables don't even have borders. So I'd need to do a little more testing and don't have the time right now. It might still work if you can find out the line height used in preview, but I'm not sure. I saved the page to see what it looked like, feel free to revert or mess with it. But the only way I could see the method that worked in preview being implemented is if you made the whole thing a template (I'd probably do that anyway for neatness and ease of use) and added a parameter that would have to be filled in (optionally) for the number of alliances in the longest column in each row, and determined the bottom padding for the other columns from that, but that seems like something I would totally do for my own thing and other people wouldn't bother with, so I dunno :P.

Oh, and I really haven't had time for the job tags template. Hopefully I can do that soon.

 Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 14:53, Saturday, 11 February 2012 (ET)

User rename

If Melisande wants her username changed, make sure she asks Wikia to change it also (I think it's just done through Special:Contact). It leaves a mess but then at least it shows the desired name on everything and such.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 16:13, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 (ET)

Yeah, that would probably be best. If you do that make sure you delete the new pages so the old ones can be moved back. Though I'm not sure if that would be necessary, since they'd be moved there anyway.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 16:58, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 (ET)

Re: Preview redlinks

Hmm, I hadn't noticed that. The problem is that I don't know how to see the code for preview, so I don't know what's causing the issue. You might try removing div#WikiaArticle a {color:#002bb8;} from the link styles section, but then all normal links will probably be the new color. Everything was so much nicer before Oasis.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 15:06, Monday, 20 February 2012 (ET)

Well then I'm not sure. Actually, I just noticed that links in preview aren't the new (old) blue anyway, so I don't think CSS is applied to preview at all. You're sure you saw redlinks in preview just before updating the CSS? I have to go to class now, I guess I can look at it more this afternoon. And I removed the header red-ing because it also colored too many headers that shouldn't be colored and I didn't feel like keeping up with that. It's usually pretty easy to tell them apart from other headers anyway.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 10:45, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 (ET)


Figured I should get to you before you use my archive system as a model :P. It's best to use {{Archive box}} unless you want to customize it a lot like I did. This is a good point to do it though, I think all of mine are smaller than this page's current size. Not sure what the standard size for archiving is, I've gone by number of sections and byte size.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 16:54, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 (ET)

Eras TOC

Dunno if it's just me but I hate all that white space :P. I used TOC right because the TOC was getting long and doing so removes the white space while also making the text in the shorter sections take up more lines, so fewer clears are necessary. I think letting it use some of the space in the article is part of the point of using it and I don't think there's anything wrong with it.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 15:17, Thursday, 1 March 2012 (ET)

Oh and another thing. Forgot to look at today's edits to your page. I'm not sure what you meant to do in the Academy section, but it looks like something's not quite right. Also, for the war stats table it might look better if you remove the width property and give it margin:auto, but it's up to you.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 15:32, Thursday, 1 March 2012 (ET)
 :D and yeah I meant it to do that, I always check after saving to make sure it looks right, since preview is hardly accurate anymore. Well, it still might look bad to someone who hasn't removed the sidebar, but I don't usually bother with making compatibility for that. Well, now that you made that change it looks a little squished to me, you might want to give it a width after all :P it's currently about 215px, so you could test in preview to see what looks good. If you want to change it at all, that is.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 18:32, Friday, 2 March 2012 (ET)
Eep, and thanks for fixing that typo on my alliance history page. I did notice that and I meant to fix it but I guess I got distracted >_> and I have to edit in IE currently so I don't get the spellcheck either.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 18:43, Friday, 2 March 2012 (ET)
Nah, I hadn't looked at the archivebox yet since you didn't have the new code on here yet. I was also trying to figure out where the extra spaces from the sidebars you have came from, might look at it later. But nah I was talking about the war stats again :P. I dunno about fonts, default works well enough for me :P. As for wrapping, well you don't have a nowrap on the first half, and all the non-breaking spaces will keep it all stuck together. Try using just regular spaces, or &#32s if necessary. My sig might be a good example to look at, it's just two nowrapped spans inside a bigger span that does wrap, and they're just separated by spaces.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 15:31, Saturday, 3 March 2012 (ET)


Yeah, and I just noticed, the centering isn't necessary at all since those are headers, which are automatically centered and bold :P. Also it isn't really accurate to call the Oasis modification CSS Monaco, it's just adjustments to improve the skin for fans of Monaco.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 15:29, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 (ET)

Re: Imagemaps

Looks to me like they no longer support external links. Working on finding a solution through Special:Outbound, but it looks like we may be shit out of luck :/   Michael von Preußen | talk

Looks like they've been reenabled.   Michael von Preußen | talk

Map software/Opera inquiry

Well, I'm afraid I likely won't be able to help you with either inquiry.

Regarding map software, I really don't know of any, and wish I did. Any edits to maps I've done have pretty much been done by hand; I use Inkscape to alter SVG maps, and PNG maps I like to pretend don't exist. :p

As for Opera, that is indeed an issue. As well, copy/paste in Google Docs doesn't work (at all in document-style docs, or by right-click > copy in spreadsheets). The short explanation for this is that Google hates Opera (even going so far as to disable working functions like reverse image search and customizable background image in the browser). Now, for me, this isn't an issue, as I use Google Docs about once a millennium, and logging into another browser to use them isn't much of a hassle, but if you do routinely use them, I can see how it'd be a right pain in the neck. Google. <.<   Michael von Preußen | talk

Re: Hai

It's going okay, though my laptop was taken away again, which is annoying. I've been surviving though. You?  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 14:53, Friday, 13 April 2012 (ET)


Saw you adding some fonts to your sandbox, and since they seem to be for signature ideas, I thought I'd leave you a couple notes. First, keep in mind that if users don't have a particular font on their system, they'll just get the site default. I have close to 8,000 fonts on my machine, and I still don't have a lot you're trying out. Second, do remember to put font names containing spaces in quotes—many browsers (especially older ones) either won't render fonts at all, or will render them incorrectly, the latter of which can even occur in more modern browsers if a user has variously-named fonts on their computer. So, for example, use style="font-family:'Times New Roman';" instead of style="font-family:Times New Roman;"—the latter might cause problems if someone has a font on their computer called simply 'Times'.   Michael von Preußen | talk

I'd also recommend not using the deprecated font tag, use span instead :P.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 14:37, Monday, 16 April 2012 (ET)
How did I not notice that? :(   Michael von Preußen | talk

Re: Flag thingy

Thank you! :) (Mantineia (talk • contribs) 20:02, April 28, 2012 (UTC))

Nation Infobox

Rogal: Got a question for you, trying to edit my Nation Infobox on my page to be more custom. Is there any way to be able to add in divider lines or be able to move around sections of the template or does it require custom coding. Trying to get a red line added between Alliance and Eras and move Nation Team under that Red line so it is in the same section as Native Resources. Any help would be appreciated RD. Hope TIO is treating you well. --Zeta Defender (talk • contribs) 00:25, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Eras

Well I only put support for that one era into the template, since it pretty much covers everything. LoD said it would be fine, though that was for the department pages, not sure if the same for wars and stuff. But the NPO era kind of applies to anything within that time span, not necessarily things that go the whole time or are still going. Hope that answers it, librarians want to close now so I have to go :P.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 21:48, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 (ET)

Yeah I understand, and that does make sense, but the way I did it was the easiest way to make it simple to use. Maybe it would be better to have a way to use a specific one. And I'd have to change the code anyway if any other alliance/group decides to use Eras. So I guess we'll see what happens and how lazy I feel :P.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 16:05, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 (ET)

Wikia's being more evil than usual

Hey Rogal,

Form message below :v

I just thought I'd share something I noticed today across Wikia sites. It seems Wikia's set a cookie (named Geo) tracking location of its users. I'm not sure how they're deriving the information, which is a lot more accurate for myself than the information provided by a simple WHOIS request on my IP address, but it doesn't seem dependent on standard geolocation, which I have disabled.

Unfortunately, there's a separate cookie set on each wiki you visit, and deleting them has no effect, as they're just reset. However, editing them does seem to work, at least short-term. I have no idea what they're used for, but I'm hoping my edits to a few wikis I use send a message to someone:


Anyway, just thought I'd pass the information along to the admins here in case anyone's interested or concerned.   Michael von Preußen | talk

Re: line breaks

Wait how close to the actual page width with the sidebar is the preview box? It's so narrow >_> But yeah I'm working on making them all have line breaks so that they don't take up the whole page width. I think it looks better that way, especially without the sidebar.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 19:30, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 (ET)

The preview box is exactly the width of the article without the CSS changes: 660px.   Michael von Preußen | talk
Oh. Well then. That's ridiculously small. Anyway, Rogal, as I was going to say in IRC but you're not back yet: I think it looks better if they're all approximately the same width, because many don't have enough alliances even to fill the width of the preview. So that's what I'm working on. Maybe I'm just used to how they looked with fewer alliances or something, but it seems better to me when they're less wide (but not too narrow, because then they get long :P). Also it looks like you might be using an outdated version of my custom CSS, headers aren't supposed to be red anymore.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 19:59, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 (ET)

Aid Slots

Hey Rogal,

I saw you add the aid slots parameter to Regnum Invictorum. The reason I'd not done so before is because I worry about its implementation. The up/down/same parameter can only really apply to the percentage, yet the percentage does not, in fact, appear in the source code. To implement it, then, one has to be sure to make a mental note of the percentage before they go to edit the page, or else re-open the unedited page in a new tab partway through editing, in order to make sure the new percentage, which again isn't even entered into the page, is higher or lower than the old one. It just seems a bit roundabout and I'm not entirely sure it's vital enough to the page to bother with the extra steps.

Can you think of any more direct ways one might incorporate it into the page? What if only the percentage was included instead of the raw slot numbers? It might be better to call it 'Aid Efficiency' in such a case, but whatever works. Just thought I'd start a conversation about it!   Michael von Preußen | talk

Just occurred to me that using the up/down/same indicator would probably break its ability to determine the percentage anyway, so I'm going to go with the percentage instead anyway for Invicta's page.   Michael von Preußen | talk


It looks to me like Template:WUT was balanced and then you unbalanced it :S I like the fixing Image-->File thing though :D.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 09:55, Friday, 25 May 2012 (ET)

Oh :< Well yeah I think it would look better to let it determine the width itself. Have to accomodate all display modes after all :P.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 10:04, Friday, 25 May 2012 (ET)


I'm still around except I'm just wrapping up with school and RL. I am still active at STOP and I intend using the wiki more this coming summer. Thanks for wondering though! ^_^ JustinVuong | Talk | Nation 01:07, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I decided that I am no longer interested in CN and found that keeping my nation alive was pointless. However, I plan on continuing to roleplay and possible extend STOP to the CNverse so in order to gain access to the forums, I'll re-roll except I plan on doing minimal activity on that nation (just collecting taxes to keep it active). I'm sorry if this disappoints any of you guys back in Pacifica (miss you guys :\ ) but I no longer have much interest to be dedicated that much now. Well, you'll see me more around spamming up the recent changes page this summer so yeah. Got two more weeks of school! :P JustinVuong | Talk | Nation 14:50, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Job tags template

Yeah, true. Actually it should be easier than ever to add an alliance. The only subpage I will be using for it is {{Job tags/switch}}, so all you have to do to add an alliance is add the appropriate values in there. Any changes to format will be more annoying since all the code will just be copy-pasted a bunch of times to get all the tables, but hopefully there won't need to be too many changes. The only thing I can think of is if a new alliance to be added has their tags wider than 120px, but that should be pretty easy to update, a quick 'replace all' would take care of it.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 17:08, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 (ET)

In the examples you added, none of the Invicta or IRON department links work :/ Do they all still need creating or is something not working? Remember if an article doesn't fit the standard naming format you gave me ("<Invicta/IRON> Department of _____") then there will need to be a redirect to it from that format so the template will link to it.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 21:32, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 (ET)

Re: Rest

Your damn message still keeps telling me I have a new message :|  ~   Nascar8FanGA    talk    nation   18:50, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 (ET)

:o! what message is that? D: click it! click it!—  RogalDorn  

Re: Delete Request

Hey RogalDorn, thank you for handling that delete request for me. I'm sure you can tell, but I hardly make it onto the wiki or CN even any more.

-- Dynasty   Talk • Grand Besaid   22:05, Thursday, 7 June 2012 (EST)

Not a problem Dynasty, I know we all take breaks every now and again. Are you going to be quitting CN/the wiki or is it just temporary? :3—  RogalDorn  
It's hard to say, but perhaps I should make it more obvious that I am not extremely active at the moment. -- Dynasty   Talk • Grand Besaid   18:51, Sunday, 8 July 2012 (EST)


Fixed "A Treaty You Can't Refuse." Only comment I have is how come you can't easily change the categories from the edit page screen. Also where are my Admins :P --Zeta Defender (talk • contribs) 04:04, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bobo took care of it. xD—  RogalDorn  


You should subst your sig. Then it's less vulnerable to vandalism for one thing, and it won't change if you change your sig page.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 00:24, Friday, 15 June 2012 (ET)

I kinda liked that it would change if i change the sig page though :3. I tended to change my sigs font etc quite a bit a few months ago >.<. The main reason was that it cuts down on sig coding on talk pages lol :)—  RogalDorn  

Dave War Commanders

Hey, not sure who relayed what, but for the Dave War page GOONS Commander should be SirWilliam instead of Sardonic, or at least in addition to (Sardonic posted the DoW but I committed GOONS forces, worked out the logistics, and have been commanding GOONS's war effort). Not a big deal but just for the sake of accuracy.Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs)

Gotcha I'll fix that, thanks Sir William.—  RogalDorn  

Re: Wiki award

Thanks, Rogal! =D Digging the new signature color, too :3   Michael von Preußen | talk

No problem señor, you totally deserve it! yeah I like the blue more than the red too :)—  RogalDorn  

Couple things

  1. Thanks for working on NPO pages categorizations, that's one thing on my quite lengthy to-do list :P. However, while you were doing it some of the pages got added to Category:Templates, which they shouldn't because Category:New Pacific Order Template is already in that category. Also, were you planning to create the Mentor Corps category? Thanks for fixing those spellings too, they were annoying me :P.
  2. Assuming you saw the new staff blog. I commented asking if there's an easy way to go through and fix all of them, but I doubt there is. I'll add it to Important Information on the main page, but it'll be a fun time trying to fix everything >_> Not that forcing compliance is a bad thing, we just have a ton of people using bad code.
  3. I think that's it for now :P.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 21:25, Thursday, 5 July 2012 (ET)
Not a problem Bobo, I want to help with the categories as well, I thought I got rid of all the Category:Templates and replaced them with the NPO templates but I did so many I probably made a couple mistakes on that. Yeah I was going to do Mentor Corps to replace Mentor Corp I just got distracted with something else (updated the Template:Infobox bloc with Bloc Type, Bloc Formation date, Bloc status, Bloc termination all from the Template:Treaty infobox simple. I updated about 20 bloc pages with it, i avoided the color/other blocs though for the most part. I'll go back through the NPO categories tonight because I'll have nothing else to do lol. (my sleep schedule is absolutely garbage right now so im up all night/morning and sleep in the evening >.<)
I did see the staff blog but that was around when I was going to bed so I'll reread it. Is there any way I can add some awb rules and just run the crap out of it replacing stuff, especially through Category:Templates and the larger categories.
I did notice an interesting old template, Template:Vandal warning. It's nice how it says what warning level the person is getting in the message. think we should add a parameter like that for Template:Warn? I'm also very glad I found Template:Movenotice too :). Anywho, talk to you later Bobo.—  RogalDorn  
Maybe some of them were left over from before and you didn't get to them yet, then. Sounds good. My sleeping is pretty weird too, it kinda naturally settled at going to sleep around 7am and waking up ~10 hours later :P. It would be worse but I need to be up for dinner and stuff so I keep it around there. Except like now when I have a doctor's appointment in the morning, I just won't sleep :P. Well there's a ton to go through, center and font tags plus the other stuff (especially in tables) are used all over the place. And for a lot of it the syntax is conditional. It might be easier just to wait until we see something broken. It's just the formatting anyway, all the information should still be there. Nah, {{Warn}} is meant only as a first general warning, anything after that or more specific needs a custom message, and we don't usually get much of that these days anyway.  Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 03:17, Friday, 6 July 2012 (ET)

hey buddy

Two pointer:

  1. GGA entry is missing/vandalised
  2. Job tags - I only noticed 1. after commenting on the talk page GGA, GATO, Legion and a few others might be good job tag entries

RenegadeOfficer (talk • contribs) 17:35, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hey mal! the GGA page i think got messed up. it said that i moved the page when i didnt because i was at work all day so im not sure whats going on there but i fixed the GGA related issues. As far as the job tags, i've offered other alliances to put their job tags up on the wiki as well but most dont care to have them put up. I think its cool and a way to show an alliance's internal affairs kinda and what they can offer or what people can do for that alliance. it's kinda the same deal with alliance awards, some alliances want them up on the wiki and some dont care. if you know anyone that wants help putting stuff up on the wiki and you need a hand feel free to get a hold of me on irc (#cn-wiki on coldfront, same as #FAN) or on here again. take care man!—  RogalDorn  


Hey man, can you revert these recent changes done to the Post-Dissolution Sphere article. The guy who edited this has not been approved to join the PDS and he's basically screwing with everything. I don't have rollback abilities and I don't want to manually revert each one. Can you do it for me? That guy hasn't been accepted yet so yeah. If you could leave him a message reminding him to apply on the STOP forums and that until then, he shouldn't mess with the PDS articles? Thanks Rogal! :) JustinVuong | Talk | Nation 04:08, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Justin, how does this look, is it right? rollback didnt actually help since chao101 edited after the anonymous user did. so i went back to bowow's last edit and edited that old version and saved it as is. thats why IMO rollback isn't _that_ useful, well, on a wiki like ours.—  RogalDorn  
Yeah seems like what it was supposed to be. Thanks! JustinVuong | Talk | Nation 23:26, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
no problemo justin, if you need it to have {{Semiprotect}} along with the permissions on it for edit access for registered users only that's an option too.—  RogalDorn  


Yes, BFF the bloc is defunct. It is kind of buried in the announcement, but it is there.Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs)

fixed the BFF bloc page and BFF disambig page. thanks—  RogalDorn  


The olympics!

Glad you liked it! It was a messy and much-delayed side-project, but a fun one nonetheless.   Michael von Preußen | talk

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