Admins Edit

Just to let you know, Admins can make admins as well, and you need to win a majority vote to be made an admin. Aido2002 20:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You sure? Other mediawiki's I've seen sysops can't create sysops, but if that's the case here then what unique power do bureaucrats have? Also, how do I go through such a vote? Mason11987 20:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Your Request for Adminship Edit

Your request for adminship has been ended early, because you have not been a member for at least a week, as is required. Aido2002 21:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I saw that a little late but wasn't sure if it'd be better to remove it and re-apply later or wait for some more clarification. I will repost it when the week ends :) Mason11987 23:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

My Country PageEdit

Thanks for the change on my article about Soviet Narodnik, but i like it as the size it is, so if you could please keep it that way that would be apprciated. Thanks --Thecrisis5 04:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I thought it was one of those things where an image was accidentally too big, but now that I look at it, it actually does look cool like that, my mistake. Mason11987 05:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:infobox_country3 Edit

umm, I was a little confused about what you were asking. I'd rather you didnt edit the template i just made, but if i read your post right you are making a separate template and copying my categories? Thats fine...I copied some of them from infobox_country2.Solidusspriggan 19:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh, ok i reread it and now it makes sense. Yeah I tried to standardize the fields a little bit. switched {{{symbol_coat}}} to just {{{symbol}}} and that sort of thing

Your suggestions Edit

Well, what you said is what we are trying to do. I realize that not everything looks good, but it is a work in progress, and editing the Monobook.css and similar templates is hard (the codes and the way they are written is confusing). All I can say is that we are working on it. Also, this is not a forum, it is a wiki, and I moved your post to the village pump, where it will be noticed. Aido2002 20:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I realize it's not a forum, but there are extensions that wikia has installed that makes setting something like that up quite easy. Since I figured it'd be a good chance to grow the community a little bit, and it was completly my own time, I didn't see the harm in setting up the begginnings of it. As I wrote in my message I'd be willing to add the information myself if I had the ability, but if you'd prefer I can simply make a page that can be copy-pasted onto those pages (although they aren't templates) there to serve the same function. I'll help out with the working on it because that's what a wiki's for right? :) Mason11987 20:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, before unilatterally deleting pages without discussion, could you bring it up on a talk page? "redundant, such discussions belong on the village pump, and "Forum" isn't a namespace" Forum is most certainly a namespace my friend, see here. Mason11987 20:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't a namespace until you made it. Either way, we have the village pump for that reason. I deleted the pages becuase that belonged in the village pump, which is why I moved your comments there. Aido2002 20:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I can't create a namespace. It was unused before I made the pages but namespaces can only be added through the FTP. Mason11987 20:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, one page can't hold the general discussion of an entire wiki, and this would also allow a place for people to talk about cybernations withour respect to a particular article, which while may not advance the wiki directly, would definitly create a more secure community that would be talking here and can help out the wiki too. Mason11987 20:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Whatever the situation, it doesn't matter. The point of the Village Pump is to be the discussin place, a forum is redundant. Aido2002 23:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Although you were using this as a reason to suggest I didn't know the wiki enough, and was therefore not fit to be an administrator, clearly our difference in opinion has nothing to do with my lack of knowledge of the wiki, it's simply that you think all discussion belongs in the village pump, and I think it would be useful to have other discussion places too. I'll drop the forum idea for now and if you would oppose giving admin powers to me because I'm still new here, then oppose it for the fact I'm new, and not that I don't understand how to use the wiki because I clearly do and I do understand how things work here, but had an idea for an improvement that didn't work out the best, not really legitimate reasons (in their own right) to oppose sysop status, right? Mason11987 00:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Your Message to MeEdit

In response to your question I say, is it not up to me whether I choose to categorise my articles under my name or not? Most of the articles written by myself are linked to one another, thus I categorise them under my name. - Conrad Kruschev 10:32 (GMT) 1/12/06

Well, that's the thing, they aren't "your" articles, even if you wrote them completly and noone else has touched them at all. Because like I said on your talk page, there is a notice under the edit text box that says "Please note that all contributions to Cyber Nations Wiki may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors, and are released under the GNU Free Doc License. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here." Categories exist in order to allow users to easily find information that is related (such as a nations category, or an alliance category). Having them categorized under your name doesn't actually help anyone. Articles should be categorized based on their subject, not on their "authors" pretty much. Anyone can see who wrote an article by looking at the history, and you can see what you've edited by looking at your watchlist, or looking at your user contributions page. Mason11987 18:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Let me fill you in... Edit

A while ago, before you started here, we decided to use "CyberNations:" as a namespace. (Edit conflict, here's the rest of my post) Just letting you know. (I was the only one who was for using "Cyber Nations Wiki' as a namespace)Aido2002 01:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

But it's not a namespace, and it makes it seem like the content of the page has to do with the game, which, it doesn't. It has to do with the wiki, hence why Cyber Nations Wiki is a better choice for a projectspace. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 01:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
So we're good with me moving the pages to their correct position? -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 01:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Nations by AlliancesEdit

Just letting you know that I saw you were starting the gigantic project of categorizing, so I did my cats and my alliance, but now it has the NADC under "M" on the list. I know you can fix this. Sorry. Keep up the Good Work. J Andres 03:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll get there ;). Thanks for the heads up. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 03:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Random Insanity Alliance Edit

Well, I would suggest not saying what nation you are on your talk page (not everyone notices the "history" tab). We need to work on making people know that they don't own their articles, I'm going to add this fact in big letters below the edit box. If things get bad on the Random Insanity page, I will semi/protect it, as needed. Aido2002 17:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm a part of GPA and have not broken neutrality by enforcing policy on this wiki, it would be pretty stupid to pit an alliance against the GPA over a wiki article :). -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 20:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, I don't want disputes here to leak over to CN. But, we have let this guy slide, he violated policy enough for a 72 hour block. I blocked him, let's see where this goes. Aido2002 00:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
This "sounds" contradictory to "Wiki philosophy" but I am of the opinion that the creators of entries which document their own nation, here in this wiki, should be able to consider themselves the owner of that entry. I know I would be really peeved if anyone made substantial changes to ReligiousLibertarian. Now when it comes to entries that are not documentation of a CN nation I agree that we need to apply the Wiki philosophy that "anyone can edit any page". But, let's face it, this is not Wikipedia and the entries here are more for bragging and prestige and even fantasy or "role playing" than they are for documentation of fact. Key Stroke
Roleplaying is correct. This wiki is a major form of roleplaying, but this is not for bragging. A nation page is allowed a lot more leeway as far as bias goes. October Massacre vs Socialists of Earth. One article displays the neutral view of the war, while in Socialists, the author explains the roleplayed autrocities from the war. Most people will not make major edits to your page unless it is vandalism in which case it will be reverted. So for most practical purposes, you do own your page. J Andres 21:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I do agree with that, and people shouldn't make substantial changes obviously, but I think the changes you would be peeved about are the same changes we all would be peeved about, and that's vandalism. I would go as far as to say that people should be able to consider themselves the owner, but they aren't really the owner and have no right to vandalize in response to someone editing there page, aren't I right? I see no problem as long as the article is written like an article about a subject. I don't think NPOV matters at all in this case, it's not really that important here (and will not at all happen), so feel free to brag and have prestige and all that good stuff. I don't think requiring article pages to talk about the subject of the article to be all that crazy. It gives the impression that it's fine to just write whatever you want on any article page. Leave article pages to talking about the subject (in whatever light the creator/owner feels best) and leave discussion pages to talking about how to fix those articles. If people are that concerned with someone editing a page, then they can revert and explain themselves on the talk page, until something is worked out. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 21:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's move this to one page where we can privately disus this before putting it on the main Village Pump: Cyber Nations Wiki:Disc1

Sorry about this Edit

One of RIA's members was a bit upset about the recent edits and thought it would be a good idea to do the same thing to you. I reverted your page back to the most recent one and told him not to do it again. I would also like to say, on behalf of RIA, that we will make sure all of our additions to our own wiki fit within the guidelines from this point forward. I also realize that you have every right to edit our article, but I would offer a humble request that you refrain from doing so unless there is something that needs to be fixed. If you cannot comply, I can't say we will be happy, but we will understand. Preceding unsigned comment added by Delta1212 (talk • contribs)

Hey, I wont speak for you (above poster, not this user), but even if the article is a little out of the guidelines, shouldn't you have something better to do then try and correct people who call themselves Random and Insane? Preceding unsigned comment added by Anyoneandeveryone (talk • contribs)

Well, nothing wrong with being random and insane, but mature should probably be thrown in there too. It's really simple. article pages are for talking about the subject, to be informative. Talk pages are for talking about how to improve the article. That's what a wiki is for. It is not a forum, there are places to talk about general stuff here, see the Village Pump, but this isn't a forum. I haven't edited anything else that has been controversial here besides the one article of your alliances. It shouldn't have been controversial. This wasn't even a question of if this is "appropriate" or not, this place isn't a forum, it's not for that. I don't see why enforcing the obvious fact that "discussion" tabs should be where discussion happens brought threats against me, and brought vandalism against me. It's really not strict rules at all. And to anyone, it's kind of interesting to critisize me for trying to improve a community resource by erasing obviously critical pieces of information such as "where is the fap train", I must have something better to do? lol right ;). -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 02:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The wiki is more informative with the random crap in it. It includes a feel that simple hard facts can't convey. By deleting the stuff that you don't like, you're making the page worse. Some things are just better with more than just facts. Would you delete a picture in an article about said picture? It isn't needed, but all the words that describe why a picture would be important enough to have an article won't convey the feeling that the actual picture itself does. Let the RIers deal with the RI board, we can take care of the facts and we know how to convey what we're about.

That is a terrible analogy, if the article is about a picture, then you show the picture and talk about the picture, if an article is about a group of people then you can show the people, or you talk about the people, but you don't let the people write whatever they want. To tell you the truth, I really don't think you know how to convey what you're about to anyone outside of your group, because what you are "about" looked like vandalism. It wasn't descriptive, it didn't even say anything, it was just people talking back and forth. Why don't you use this page to your advantage and explain what you're about (instead simply spamming the article with examples). Why don't you take care of the facts and leave the discussion to the...discussion page, you know, cause it's for discussion. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 02:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion? There's rarely more than two sentances in a row about the same thing. That is a picture of the RIA. Random, random, random, random, something important, random, random, fad (in this case, cocks seems to be the fad).

See, but this doesn't actually say anything? Why even bother having a page here? Like one of the messages said, "this is like a message board". That's the thing, it isn't a message board, and it isn't meant to act like one. Seriously, what good is it to spam your page with inside jokes that noone else gets? If you want to make a page that only you will care to look at, you might as well put it somewhere else. As it is, these pages are for everyone, and they are meant to inform, I can assure you that page didn't inform. Articles are supposed to be informing about the subject, by spamming the page you aren't activly informing anyone, you're just "discussing" with eachother. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 03:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You're wrong about the purpose of the wiki article. Or, at least, you're only half right. It's there to inform, but it was created to recruit, with informing being part of recruiting. It says what we want it to say. If someone wants to know about our alliance to know if they want to join, they can check our wiki page. We want the people who see the page and go "I want to join those guys" join in. From your responces, I'm pretty sure you don't want the people who see what we have on our wiki to join your alliance.

It seems like you're implying that my opinions about your article are due to me trying to hurt your recruitment in some way. As it stands I don't care enough to touch that article again. I'm making an alliance infobox that I was going to put on all the alliance pages to have share information but I'll just give you the link and you can do what you like. Having this on your page will ensure you are categorized correctly (so you can be found) if categories change. Template:Alliance infobox. So while I still disagree with you I'm not going to be doing any editing on that page again. All I will say is that in my opinion, the average person who visits wiki has seen wikipedia, and has inevitably seen vandalism on some of those pages, and then therefore thought wikipedia wasn't useful, or that page wasn't worth reading, your page looks like vandalism to most people who won't bother reading much of it, I'm not going to clean it up and I'm not going to comment on it to anyone else. Aido2002 may have a different opinion, but that's for you to talk to him about. Thanks for discussing it maturely, it's a good change from the RI related vandalism that got two IPs blocked by Aido and J Andres, while I disagree, I'll abstain from comment or action on that page from now on. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 07:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Still, you should have something better to do then argue with people like us. -Anyone and Everyone

And you should have something better to do then to make a shallow quasi-insult at me ;) -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 21:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I have thought that page was vandalism for a while, I just didn't want to do anything to it. But I do not support a page full of "hey look at the butt secks train" "Our alliance is awesome" and the other assorted stuff you had on there. I personally think that if you want to be taken seriously, you should make a serious page, but that is just me. If you can't handle the fact that your page contained little to no factual information than you need to be a little less puerile. That page was a disgrace to the wiki, and if I was part of your alliance, I would be discraced as well. Mason says he will no longer revert your page, but I will. It doesn't belong here. J Andres 21:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think we want people taking us completely seriously. -Anyone and Everyone
Then, I dunno, say "we don't want people taking us completly seriously" on the article. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 21:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

We don't vandalise your page, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't vandalize ours.

My page was vandalized, explicitly and for obviously personal reasons, your page was not vandalized, it was cleaned up, if the edits weren't wanted a revert could have been made and discussion could happen regarding those. Instead vandalism happened against me. It's really hard to try to suggest the page called Mason11987 wasn't vandalized and yet I vandalized the RI page. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 09:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  • checks up on said vandalism* I guess someone did vandalise your page. Two wrongs don't make a right, and doing that was wrong. However, they don't really compare. That was less than a line of text, as opposed to destroying most of our page, repetedly, then locking it, and it doesn't relly affect you or your alliance in any way. Perhaps the person who did it was trying to get a point across? While I'd prefer that nobody in our alliance did that and that we had the moral high ground, you can't really be suprised when the tactics that you use come back against you. And yes our page was vandalized by you. I've already explained why we want our page the way we had it. I don't care if you can't understand it, just don't destroy parts of our page.
That vandalism happened after mine if you didn't know. I really don't think the amount of text change matters in "vandalism". I think it is intent. I intended to help the RI article to make it be clearer and more understandable. The page of my name was created in order to insult me. They are not at all comparable. I attempted to clean up what appeared to be vandalism and was not what belongs on an article page, and I did it once, and then later an admin agreed with me and also reverted the page, and then locked it. This has nothing to do with my alliance at all, and before you start telling me what I do, figure out what actually happened. I changed the page a few times, go take a look, and tell me when I destroyed it, repeatedly, show me the edits if you're going to claim that's true. I attempted to remove what appeared to be vandalism (if you look at my edit summary you could see that), then when I received vandalism and what sounded like in-game threats I decided it would be easier to let someone else deal with it. The tactics used were immature and insulting. I had good faith in my edits, your group did not, at all. It was not vandalized, I removed discussion from an article page, it wasn't even discussion. If you want discussion, just use the discussion tab, it's REALLY simple. Where do you suggest we draw the line on what people can put in their article? Or do you think there shouldn't be a draw. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 03:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

First, "shouldn't be a line"...Sorry, that was probably a bad way to start yet another apology. RI as a group tends to be a little, how do I put this, random and, quite frankly, insane. I realize that you shouldn't have to make allowances so I won't try to convince you to; I'm just telling you how things are. I know the actions of several members of the alliance have been less than exemplary over the past week and I sincerely apologize. I would ask that you essentially ignore anyone who contacts you further and I will attempt to make sure no one does. However, responding only eggs them ("us" really, but I've tried to avoid getting involved this time) on and allows them to pull you down to the same level. (Read over some of your comments and you'l see what I mean. Insults are being flung on bot sides, though I will grant you that you ave more of a right to be upset). i digress. May I offer, once again, my humblest apologies and hope that this does not continue -Delta1212

Typos, they happen. As long as insults are not flung, and both sides assume that eachother is acting in good faith (hopefully that can be displayed soon) then I think the best overall conclusion will inevitably come to be. I accept your apology and offer my own for my unknowingly rash actions. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 03:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

New sig Edit

-- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 15:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Blocking Edit

That's a lot of IPs. (This is why I think IPs shouldn't be able to edit...) My guess is a rolling IP, which you can get via AOL (AOL gives you a new IP each time you sign on), which this guy is using to sidestep blocks, and make it seem like a lot of people are following him. If This is a /b/ raid, then we must instruct them to leave alliance-inspired actions out of this Wiki, we don't want people vandalizing to make a point, as an attack. I'll get right on this, it is definitely in need of semiprotection (Only IPs vandalized, so a semi will keep them out) Aido2002 17:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think a better course of action might be to attempt a block even if it keeps out legitimate AOL anonys, as long as they get kept out. This is preferable to a full registration only policy in that legitimate anonys might still be able to post here (which is definitly a big group) but if they are AOL, then they'll just have to register. Seems to make a lot of sense to me. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 19:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, blocked IPs can't register. But I didn't mean it was bad that AOL IPs can't get in, (if they knew what was good for them they wouldn't use AOL, anyway) it makes sense to block the IPs, as I did. Aido2002 20:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that blocked IPs could register, interesting. All sounds good though :).

Coordination of efforts relating to the AllianceEdit

Don't you think that the Press Secretary should be directing and coordinating all our external communications regarding the Alliance? Key Stroke 21:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...that's what I was doing I thought. I simply rearranged a list of GPA members. I didn't change any information. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 21:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you allowing the Press Secretary to coordinate your efforts? What we say about the alliance needs to be cleared by the Press Secretary.... Or maybe you should have run for Press Secretary yourself. Key Stroke 14:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, I didn't realize they were as active on the wiki as that. I'll be sure to get clearance on editing GPA articles for content before doing so, of course I'll still clean up grammar/spelling things if they are obvious mistakes, but I won't change general presentation or content. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 18:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
But who knows, maybe when I'm an older member of GPA I'd give that a go :). -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 18:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Your signature Edit

How did you get your little links into your signature? It that a part of the preferences? Aido2002 05:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup, uncheck raw signature and put this into "Nickname" replacing links as needed.
-- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Mason11987|E]] -<span class="plainlinks">[ CN]</span>)</sup>

-- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 09:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Aido2002 18:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Bias Edit

Bias is never a good thing, it obscures the fact that it is supposed to convey. Since we cannot provide all points of view on any given topic, we cannot be biased. Aido2002 18:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Since we cannot provide all points of view, as you said, bias will inevitably exist and will be very hard to try to wipe out of all the articles. It's a good effort I suppose but I think time may be better spent elsewhere for now. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 18:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I mean we are not going to create several articles on the NpO, just so everyone can write their account of its history. We will have one unbiased article. Aido2002((talk)) 22:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Forks are definitly bad, but bias is a tough thing to work out, so as long as bias sections aren't simply stricken out, but allowed to be reworked, then I think we'd be in a good situation. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 03:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, we are not just going to go around deleting huge sections, just because a few words are biased (but if that section is beyond reworkable, then we will). Just tweak them to eliminate bias. Aido2002((talk)) 20:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 21:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Currently Unnamed Conflict Edit

I left the talk page so they could discuss a possible name. However, as J Andres said, they should have a name before bringing it here. As for CCC Flag, I deleted that because it was just an image, and it already has an image page. Aido2002 18:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, if they renamed the conflict they could have moved the article page and talk page in one move instead of what they'll have to do now. I think if we just put it into the CCC sub page area that it's kind of neat, sort of a developing news thing, but either way, doesn't really matter. The CCC flag thing may have included other details on the flag that would have made it an article, see Flag_of_Ghostovia. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 18:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not saying that the CCC Flag page didn't have potential, but once it has a purpose, it can be remade. Few people know how to access the deletion log, so, while I understand that it would have helped to add the note, let's be honest, in reality, it would have not have added much. However, your subpage news thing gave me an idea: let's make a "CN News' kind of thing, so people don't make pages such as those that just say that developments are still going on. Comments? Aido2002 19:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I think having a work in progress (wip) tag would be useful just to let deletionists knew that the page is being worked on. Give it some time, and if there aren't edits within a week or two, then we should go through with action. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 03:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't think works in progress belong here. Write it, possibly in MS Word, then when you feel it is ready, post it. Aido2002((talk)) 20:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

AfD deletion Edit

Can you tell me what an AfD page is?

A couple of my yet to be developed pages have been marked with this tag, but the wiki link to AfD is broken.... Solidusspriggan

As long as you have some info on the page, then it should be okay. Just don't go making placeholders okay Solidus. 21:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
It means articles for deletion, they are tagged that way to question the pages validity here, if the page seemed pointless I tagged it, but if it is disputed, just remove the tag and put a note up on the talk page explaining the page. It was just a basic clean up and deletions wouldn't go through without discussion. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 03:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Official Policy Edit

I agree to some extent. As of now, we have no set rules on how to make a policy, I figured if someone had a problem they could say so. However, we can't use copyrighted images. That's not our choice, its illegal. Flags are not copyrighted, they can't be (I'm talking about real nation flags, alliance flags are released for our use, I believe, because they are used on Cyber Nations, and we are nearly an extension of CN). We are not allowed to use someone else's images just to illustrate fiction. Aido2002((talk)) 20:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, on that note, cyber nations wiki doesn't appear on the CN page anymore, know why? -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 14:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Really? Wasn't it yesterday? When I went to check, I couldn't get to the page, I got a "Connection timed out" error message. Aido2002((talk)) 20:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
It's not in the bottom box on the left on the page, take a look.
Nevermind, it's in the important links section now. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 02:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

NPO Charter Edit

I didn't think that opening was part of the charter, but if it is then I agree, it should be left. Aido2002((talk)) 22:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain it is part of it. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 02:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, but we just need to put quotes or a disclaimer saying that it is the ful text of the charter, with no edits, and to clarify that we didn't make it up. Aido2002((talk)) 19:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't see that as necessary, the section is called NPO charter, so it is assumed that what follows is the NPO charter. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 01:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, people are stupid, we should adapt so they can understand too. :)

Also, I know you like to keep discussions together, but I don't always check my watchlist, so if you want me to realize you respond to something I say here, then at least leave a little note on my talk page letting me know. Thanks. Aido2002((talk)) 07:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Noted, if I expect a response I'll leave it on your talk page. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 07:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Recent deletions Edit

I've been going through category:Candidates for speedy deletion. If there is a questionable deletion, let me know here, I'll immediatly restore it so we can discuss about it. Almost all seemed absolutly obvious deletions, and all have been up for a least a few days without any debate so I thought they were worth cleaning up. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 02:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Lack of Linkages Edit

Mason, Have you noticed the systematic deletion of all references to the wiki from both the Gamesite and CN Forums? Do you have any information on what's going on? I mean: I had to go to Rysonia's "How to" post in order to find the wiki today. What gives? Salpta 20:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The wiki is in "Game related links" on the bottom left. I never knew there was a link from the forums. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 23:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

ReligiousLibertarian Edit

We should keep the article as a historical archive. Don't delete nation entries once the nation is deleted, just change it into past tense. Aido2002((talk)) 01:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, there should probably be a tag at the top, like {{deleted nation}} -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 01:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good. Aido2002((talk)) 02:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking of this a while ago. Some tag should be created for all nations that no longer exist that goes on the top of the page. J Andres 02:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Well I don't have the chance to design one, but I put one up called {{deleted nation}} and gave it a property where people can put the date it was deleted. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 02:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I just stuck something up there for now. I'll make a real one tomorrow, if nobody else does by then. As for me, its starting to get late in my time zone, good night. Aido2002((talk)) 02:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Main Page Edit

It wasn't an experiment, I took out infoboxes that say nothing of value. (As of now, I was hoping we could fix them and replace them) Aido2002((talk)) 02:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, it appeared really ugly at the time that I saw it and the revert looked better. Now it definitly looks better, must have been a change in the templates. I like the changes. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 06:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

>_< Wiki Page by Vincent HarlingEdit

Well, thanks for the help regarding how to create a wiki title; I think I have a good placeholder name for it. The only problem is, what if people try to search for >_<? Would it somehow be possible to create a redirect page that would let people go to the article if they search for >_<? That's the biggest issue right now...but anyway, thanks so far, you've been a great help. Vincent Harling 07:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

If that were possible we would just put the page there instead of having it redirect. As it is, there is no way we can have a page with either ">" or "<" in it. All links that alliance will have to use a placeholder, sadly. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 15:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Great ArticlesEdit

I added Nova Rio as a candidate for a "Great Article" (I did write the article). Now that I'm reading it again, I'm not sure that I was allowed to - sorry for either A. posting in there or B. wasting your time with this question if I was allowed to. Any information on being nominated for a "Great Article" would be appreciated. MTTezla 20:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

You can nominate articles to be a great article. See here. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 21:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks very much. MTTezla 21:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Er... do you think that you will be able to get to my article soon? I posted it 10 days ago now... If you could do it whenever you get a chance, that would be really great.

To be honest, it's more the suspense of waiting than the hope of being a Great Article that's killing me right now.

Vote Record Edit

It must have been something with my browser or someth8ing like that, it looked like half the vote record was missing after his edit. My mistake, I'll go revert it. Aido2002((talk)) 22:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

It happens, weird stuff. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 23:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

/b/ Category Edit

The other one was already set up, I figured that more people already knew this one, and would use it over the other in the future. Just make sure that no other pages get classified to /b/ Alliance, and instead [:/b/]]. I feel like I just rambled, so I hope you know what I mean. Aido2002((talk)) 02:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Odd, I hadn't noticed it before even though I looked over b a lot earlier. My bad. I Didn't realize category: /b/ alliance was used first, but it should still be category: /b/ -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 04:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

test Edit

testing to see if I can edit my talk page while blocked... -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 04:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I know you! Edit

Hey, Mason. I know you. You run the Sporewiki as well, right? Metnik 19:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ha, yeah, I sure do. I don't run this wiki though, so "as well" wouldnt' be right, but I do help out a lot and I am an active sysop. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 19:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Great War II Edit

Hi, Mason,

I've been trying to clean up the Great War II article a bit. I hope I've put it into a somewhat more logical sequence. As you know, there's a lot of editting of the article. I, myself, don't have bias one way or the advantage to being too new to the politics of CN. I've tried to edit only my contributions, keeping down the 'biased words'. But, on the other hand, if someone else has added those words, I've been very reluctant to move much of anything.

I've been working on the GATO thing a little, and I see people keep adding or changing things here and there...not quite vandalism, but yet not being very good at citing sources. (For example, someone reported that the 'Ben' person was impeached, left GATO and joined GOONS). I cannot verify the accuracy of that, yet I don't want to just yank out the information.

What is better to do, place a 'source needed' tag on it, delete it, or something else? I ask because you also seem very involved in the Wiki stuff...figured you'd know.  :)

Thanks, and Peace! --Shaudawn (a.k.a. YV) 00:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Put (Source?) after it, depending on the apparent "severity" of the claim. Basically if it's such a big lie that it would make the wiki look really useless, then remove it (or put it in comments like this <!-- comments --> with a note.). Thanks for your help. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 08:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

request for adminship Edit

Please do me a favor and vote on my adminship request. I'm not asking for support; I'm just letting you know that its there for you to vote on. Thanks -- Alphacow 18:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

NoR bias Edit

Sorry, but I haven't been following the politics. However, if I become an admin (looks likely), I'll definitely pay more attention so I can be more useful in resolving bias conflicts. I won' t be looking out for these things, so let me know via talk page when these things come up and I'll try to follow it so I can be a useful arbiter should the need arise. -- Alphacow 03:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, I was just curious on if you knew about it. It's not necessary for you to follow most things, although I'd like an admin that'd check the RecentChanges for vandalism since the rest of us can't all the time. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 05:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I can definitely keep an eye on it. Like the rest of you, I'm busy (I'm a graduate student in the university of pittsburgh bioengineering department, currently working with a full complement of coursework and research), but at the same time, I'd love to help if I can. -- Alphacow talk 17:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

GPA Bias Edit

Of course I've a GPA bias, I'm in the GPA! Please use the bias or balancing template tags where you believe I went over the line and i'll smooth it out. Specifically in the GPA history page since thats the one you referenced. (please keep in mind I'm still gathering sources and haven't yet Wiki-fied it). Salpta 14:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll just put some of the points in the talk page if I get around to it. :) -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 04:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. Edit

Noticed your welcome message on my talk page, and I wanted to stop by and leave a message for you in return.

Mmm, meta-statements. Blast 26,01,07 0027 (UTC -5)

Nothin like them, but I do like what you're doing with the leader infobox, quite nice. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 06:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

end "make admin" vote Edit

Hey Mason - the requisite five days have passed... could you end the vote for my adminship and make it official? Thanks - Alphacow talk 17:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Done J Andres 19:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I forgot about that "bureaucrat" thing. Oops. Thanks for the congrats... so far, I've already deleted offensive content twice and blocked a vandal. Whee! -- Alphacow talk 04:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

User Boxes Edit

Does Cybernations wiki have any userboxes, like on Wikipedia? President Alex 22:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

No, but it'd be neat, you can set them up or request some here and I'll work on it for you. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 06:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

What the hell? Edit

Where do i state i want to attack J Andres now? That was in the past, i dont want to attack him now, i have no reason to and would not anyway. My nation is at peace with him. I dont have a clue what your on! Dont warmonger. President Alex 16:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I asked you why you would, as in. Why you previously did. I am not warmongering. I am simply pointing out the fact that wiki things should not impact the game and I was curious if you attacked him simply because he deleted an article of yours. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 00:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I attacked him because a member of my alliance requested me to, as i was the most powerful nation i was chosen by a vote in my alliance parliment to lead the campaign. President Alex 10:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I still personally think it's silly to start wars over matters of the wiki, that was my point, but it is already settled so I'll just drop it, thanks. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 13:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Anacreon Province Edit

Thanks. Ive made the changes you suggested. The reason my page was different from the standard layout was because I largely started from stratch. Genestealer 13:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

recommend be blocked Edit

Just look at his contribution diffs, they are nearly all vandalism:

You rang? Edit

Leaving the note like you asked via PM on the CN forum. Can't wait to get started!

I've contacted Aido2002 about this, he'll get back to me and I to you ASAP. Since you will undoubtedly use the talk pages (since people will want to comment on things and they won't be able to edit the articles), make sure you use four tidles (~~~~) to sign your name, and on talk pages you can click the "+" at the top to start a new section that gets put at the bottom. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E -CN) 15:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that, this entire setup is rather new to me. Thanks for the advice! KarlMarx 01:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

NPO Vandal Edit wrote all over the New Pacific Order page about Queers and Steers.

About the frontpageEdit

Hey man, sorry to be an arse, I have this thing where everything is perfect so I kinda noticed it. But in the "Recent News", where it says the Green Sphere seceeds, I believe it is spelt "secedes"... sorry if I'm being an arse, you don't have to change it if you don't want to (of course), but just a friendly notice thats all ;)

Alliance InfoboxEdit

Is it possible to be able to add a link to an alliance's IRC room in the alliance infobox? Just seems like an obvious thing to have on an alliances wiki page.

Done. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 23:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

New nation Infobox please Edit

OK! I am here to ask you something! can you make a whole new Template that We can use as an alternative for our nation's descriptions... I myself am a deeply good writer and like to use fiction in my nation, not rip info off to make my wikis.

I am asking if you could add a template infobox for countries like you would find in the real Wikipedia.

Thank you! I'd really appreciate it!

an example of the new nation infobox can be seen here : )

Here's the infobox I intend to have made:

|native_name                 = (Long-form name in native language)
|conventional_long_name      = (Conventional English long-form name)
|common_name                 = (Common English name (used to create wikilinks))
|image_flag                  = (e.g. Flag of country.svg)*
|image_coat                  = (e.g. Coat of arms of country.svg)*
|symbol_type                 = (if image_coat is an emblem/seal/etc)
|motto                       = ("(motto)")
|anthem                      = (''(name of/link to anthem)'')
|other_symbol_type           = (Another symbol, e.g. Hymn)
|other_symbol                = (another symbol text)
|image_map                   = (e.g. LocationCountry.svg)
|map_caption                 = (Caption to place below map)
|image_map2                  = (Another map, if required)
|map_caption2                = (Caption to place below second map)
|capital                     = 
|latd= |latm= |latNS= |longd= |longm= |longEW=  (capital's latitude and longitude)
|largest_city                = (Largest city or settlement: use "capital" (without quotes)
|largest_settlement_type     = (Type of settlement if largest settlement not a city)
|largest_settlement          =  if the same as the capital)
|official_languages          = 
|regional_languages          = (-Officially recognized- regional languages)
|languages_type              = (Combined, these two parameters can provide an alternative
|languages                   =  to the official/regional_languages parameters)
|ethnic_groups               = (List/breakdown of ethnic groups)
|ethnic_groups_year          = (Year of ethnic groups breakdown (if provided))
|demonym                     = 
|government_type             = 
|leader_title1               = 
|leader_name1                = 
|leader_title2               = 
|leader_name2                = 
|leader_title5               = 
|leader_name5                = 
|sovereignty_type            = 
|sovereignty_note            = 
|established_event1          = 
|established_date1           = 
|established_event2          = 
|established_date2           = 
|established_event9          = 
|established_date9           = 
|area_rank                   = 
|area_magnitude              = 
|area                        = 
|areami²                     = 
|percent_water               = 
|population_estimate         = 
|population_estimate_rank    = 
|population_estimate_year    = 
|population_census           = 
|population_census_year      = 
|population_density          = 
|population_densitymi²       = 
|population_density_rank     = 
|GDP_PPP                     = 
|GDP_PPP_rank                = 
|GDP_PPP_year                = 
|GDP_PPP_per_capita          = 
|GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank     = 
|GDP_nominal                 = 
|GDP_nominal_rank            = 
|GDP_nominal_year            = 
|GDP_nominal_per_capita      = 
|GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 
|Gini                        = 
|Gini_year                   = 
|Gini_category               = 
|HDI                         = 
|HDI_rank                    = 
|HDI_year                    = 
|HDI_category                = 
|currency                    = 
|currency_code               = 
|time_zone                   = 
|utc_offset                  = (+N, where N is number of hours)
|time_zone_DST               = 
|DST_note                    = 
|utc_offset_DST              = (+N, where N is number of hours)
|cctld                       = 
|calling_code                = 
|footnotes                   = (for any generic, non-numbered footnotes)
|footnote1                   = 
|footnote2                   = 
|footnote7                   = 

--Ayatollah Geddy Lee 21:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

wooo... that's a project. Hmm... I'll try to look at it soon but can't promise much. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 06:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

so... Edit

When do you think you'll be done with the template? can you also do another one for cities? like the one in the real wikipedia for real-life ciies? I'm sorry if I am asking too much!

--Geddy 08:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm really sorry, it was a little too much for me at the moment. I wish I could help but I don't think I have the time right now. 06:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Crimson Sun Empire Edit

No really, stop removing us from the alliance forum list. The first time was understandable, but it's happened twice now.

Pironious 04:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Weird, I don't know why that would happen. I print the page out from a program I have which has the info on all the alliances. You're listed in that... I'll hand-check it for CSE next time I update. Sorry. -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 15:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Great Texts Edit

Cyber Nations Wiki talk:Great Texts There are a few articles still up to vote from a while ago. I dont want to let them through with only my vote. Check them out. J Andres 17:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC) Edit

Yeah that was me at my university. I couldn't/didn't want to log into this account there which is why I tagged them with delete since they are complete copies of The Democratic Order's articles and The Undemocratic Order doesn't exist so I assume the creator is trying to attack that alliance. Anyways I can take care of it now. Lol pie 20:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Understandable, and good to know, just being cautious :). -- Mason11987 (T - C - E) 20:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for Adminship Edit

Just want to let you know that I have applied for adminship here.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

General Mazur 01:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured Article Nomination Edit

I have nominated Großgermania for Featured Article Status here. Please take a look at it. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail) • (nation)

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