Main article: Great War I

The following is the transcript of IRC logs concerning negotiations during Great War I.

[7/19/2006 9:05 PM] <Sir_Paul> Let me guess, the equitable peace thing didn't fly?
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[7/19/2006 9:06 PM] <Sir_Paul> Welcome
[7/19/2006 9:06 PM] <Sir_Paul> I've been authorized by the NPO and NpO with full authority of the Emperors to discuss terms for ending the conflict
[7/19/2006 9:06 PM] <Ragashingo> It vaguely flew
[7/19/2006 9:06 PM] <Sir_Paul> Getting there... Good
[7/19/2006 9:06 PM] <Sir_Paul> I've been authorized to give you two plans...
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[7/19/2006 9:07 PM] <Ragashingo> Wait a bit while people actually join :)
[7/19/2006 9:07 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'll wait. Hey Chris, I haven't seen you since the GATO ad.
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[7/19/2006 9:07 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Nope.
[7/19/2006 9:07 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I didn't know you got on IRC.
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[7/19/2006 9:07 PM] <Sir_Paul> 30 day free trial
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[7/19/2006 9:07 PM] <Sir_Paul> seemed like a good time to sign up
[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Filipinoboi122> hello sir paul
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[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I got that 30 day trial for mIRC too. 'Cept, I've been using it for about two and a half months.
[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] * Dasgirl waves hello
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[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> Sir Paul's taking a CM to the face at the end of this war, so I won't have to worry about paying
[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Filipinoboi122> hmm?
[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> for IRC that is
[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Dasgirl> you don't have to pay.. its a never ending 30 day trial
[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> Oh
[7/19/2006 9:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> wierd
[7/19/2006 9:09 PM] <Dasgirl> yeah.. but true
[7/19/2006 9:09 PM] <Filipinoboi122> I have chatzilla
[7/19/2006 9:09 PM] <Sir_Paul> Anyways, my retirement plans aren't final, but anyways, are the reps of the CoaLUEtion here?
[7/19/2006 9:09 PM] <Filipinoboi122> most of it
[7/19/2006 9:09 PM] <Hrmmm> We waiting on anyone?
[7/19/2006 9:09 PM] =-= Chris_Kaos is now known as Chris_Busy
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Sir_Paul> I understand you have a busy evening of bombing my nation, so I'll try not to keep you.
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Ragashingo> We're mostly here now I think
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] =-= Dasgirl is now known as Dasgirl|GATO
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Chris_Busy> Yeah.
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ok, from the top
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] =-= Hrmmm is now known as Hrmmm[ODN]
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Dasgirl|GATO> that may help
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Chris_Busy> I am busy doing this.
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Filipinoboi122> getting a GGA memebr
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Sir_Paul> I've been authorized by the NPO and NpO with full authority of the Emperors to discuss terms for ending the conflict
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Ragashingo> Keep in mind the GGA isn't actually on so we'll have to talk to them later
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Ragashingo> Oh, unless Filipinoboi122 is sucessful
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Sir_Paul> Fair enough
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Filipinoboi122> the one who can jsut went afk
[7/19/2006 9:10 PM] <Filipinoboi122> i'll talk to kevin the great via MSN
[7/19/2006 9:11 PM] <Sir_Paul> I understand that straight peace with promises not initiate force for X months is not quite enough, correct?
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[7/19/2006 9:11 PM] <Sir_Paul> (a nodding or shaking head would be appropriate here)
[7/19/2006 9:11 PM] <Ragashingo> Hehe
[7/19/2006 9:11 PM] * Everton[k8s] nods head
[7/19/2006 9:11 PM] * Filipinoboi122 nods
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] <Chris_Busy> Yeah.
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] * Anomaly has no idea what's going on, but nods anyway
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ok, we have two plans for peace
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Anomaly: <Sir_Paul> I understand that straight peace with promises not initiate force for X months is not quite enough, correct?
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Was the question.
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] <Chris_Busy> Sir_Paul, can you op me please?
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] <Sir_Paul> I have no idea how to do that
[7/19/2006 9:12 PM] <Chris_Busy> I would like to secure this room a bit.
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Sir_Paul> tell me what to type
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Chris_Busy> /cs op #peace Chris_Busy
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Sir_Paul> nothing happened
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Chris_Busy> Bah.
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Filipinoboi122> what r u using?
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Filipinoboi122> chatzilla?
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[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Sir_Paul> mIRC
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Filipinoboi122> ahh
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> ./msg chanserv op #peace Chris_Busy
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] =-= Chris_Busy is now known as Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Anomaly> /op #osnap Chris_busy
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> without the .
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Anomaly> I think.
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Anomaly> <_<
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Bah.
[7/19/2006 9:13 PM] <Dasgirl|GATO> does he need to register the channel first?
[7/19/2006 9:14 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o Chris_Kaos by Sir_Paul
[7/19/2006 9:14 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No
[7/19/2006 9:14 PM] <Sir_Paul> there we go
[7/19/2006 9:14 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Thanks.
[7/19/2006 9:14 PM] =-= Filipinoboi122 is now known as Filipinoboi122|CDS
[7/19/2006 9:14 PM] =-= Mode #peace +ntr by ChanServ
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Mode #peace +is by ChanServ
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Invite only now.
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> ok
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Mode #peace +ooo Anomaly Dasgirl|GATO Everton[k8s] by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Mode #peace -ooo Anomaly Dasgirl|GATO Everton[k8s] by ChanServ
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Mode #peace +ooo Filipinoboi122|CDS Hrmmm[ODN] IamJoe by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Mode #peace -ooo Filipinoboi122|CDS Hrmmm[ODN] IamJoe by ChanServ
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] <Anomaly> Needs less secureops.
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Damn.
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] <Yoda> chanserv is bitchy tonight
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> secureops
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= IamJoe is now known as IamJoe[IRON]
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Mode #peace +ooo Anomaly Dasgirl|GATO Everton[k8s] by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Lagavond is now known as Lagavond|GATO
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] <Sir_Paul> The first offer is an appology for the initiation of force and a restriction on NPO war activities for X months.
[7/19/2006 9:15 PM] =-= Mode #peace +ooo Filipinoboi122|CDS Hrmmm[ODN] IamJoe[IRON] by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ok
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] =-= Mode #peace +oo Ragashingo Yoda by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] <Sir_Paul> The second allows for your pound of flesh
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] <Sir_Paul> (read reparations, etc)
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] <Ragashingo> The problem with reperations is this war was completely huge :(
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Right.
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] <Sir_Paul> but requires that the LUE nations who commended Yard for his actions receive appropriate punishment.
[7/19/2006 9:16 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I alone have sustained 2 million in damages.
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <kamichi_busy> What would you regard as appropriate punishment?
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Dasgirl|GATO> which would be?
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Same as chris for me, btw. Or close to.
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Sir_Paul> That's what this is about.
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 250 infra = a lot.
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Sir_Paul> I've taken a Nuke too, we understand
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Ragashingo> Realistically we can't expect the NPO to just rebuild everybody
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Nope.
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> I think allof here cept raga has been nuked
[7/19/2006 9:17 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Obviously not.
[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] <Ragashingo> Meh
[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] <Chris_Kaos> But, I do have a plan.
[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] <Ragashingo> I would have been if it weren't for peace mode
[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] <Chris_Kaos> For reperations.
[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] === Hrmmm[ODN] invited TheEric into channel #peace
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[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o TheEric by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o TheEric by Dasgirl|GATO
[7/19/2006 9:18 PM] <Sir_Paul> This war, acording to the NPO position, is about justice.
[7/19/2006 9:19 PM] <Sir_Paul> Tyga jumped the gun, and we're sorry about that
[7/19/2006 9:19 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Sir_Paul
[7/19/2006 9:19 PM] <Sir_Paul> But we also expect the other side to own up to their mistake on that end
[7/19/2006 9:19 PM] <Sir_Paul> Yes?
[7/19/2006 9:19 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> about the LUEsers geting punished for commending yari
[7/19/2006 9:19 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Right.
[7/19/2006 9:19 PM] <Chris_Kaos> What is punishment?
[7/19/2006 9:20 PM] <Ragashingo> Dang heavy storm is moving through... if I drop out someone save the logs...
[7/19/2006 9:20 PM] <Lagavond|GATO> Will do
[7/19/2006 9:20 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> kevin the great of the GGA tells me " if they want that then the npo war council should get the same "
[7/19/2006 9:20 PM] <Dasgirl|GATO> They have lost their mask and received a lot of damage already... what would your punishment be?
[7/19/2006 9:20 PM] <TheEric> is there going to be a specific punishment to Tyga?
[7/19/2006 9:20 PM] <Sir_Paul> Probably proportional to the punishment you inflict on us.
[7/19/2006 9:20 PM] <Sir_Paul> The harder those members are punished, the more I can get Ivan and the WC's to swallow
[7/19/2006 9:21 PM] <Ragashingo> Before anybody suggests it, no removing any emperors, that obviously won't fly :p
[7/19/2006 9:21 PM] <TheEric> No intention of that
[7/19/2006 9:21 PM] <Dasgirl|GATO> It would not have been done.. if they were not attacked
[7/19/2006 9:21 PM] <TheEric> Tyga does need to pay reps or something though
[7/19/2006 9:21 PM] <Sir_Paul> Obviously, the WC's are pissed at him
[7/19/2006 9:21 PM] <Sir_Paul> but officialy, we all support him and will deal with this behind closed doors later
[7/19/2006 9:22 PM] <TheEric> I still want Tyga vs. Tigga?.. how long do i have >_>
[7/19/2006 9:22 PM] <Ragashingo> hehe
[7/19/2006 9:22 PM] <Everton[k8s]> The punishment for someones sense of humor or lack of morals isn't equal to declaring war on a whole alliance...Ivan's actions were much worse.
[7/19/2006 9:22 PM] === Yoda invited YuuzhannTar into channel #peace
[7/19/2006 9:22 PM] <kamichi_busy> I'm afraid I have to agree with that.
[7/19/2006 9:22 PM] <TheEric> alright... first.. can we establish which LUEsers are at issue here?
[7/19/2006 9:22 PM] <Ragashingo> So what would the NPO like to see as punishement, start at an extreme if you want and we can dial it back to something acceptable and then match it
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ok. Banishment.
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> lol
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Everton[k8s]> >_>
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Ragashingo> That was easy :p
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] === Chris_Kaos invited Nero into channel #peace
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Sir_Paul> Let NPO administer justice.
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> How about 1 step down?
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> chris
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Chris_Kaos> ?
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> can you invite PC , he's as prodigal_chieftain
[7/19/2006 9:23 PM] <Sir_Paul> Kick them out of LUE?
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[7/19/2006 9:24 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o Nero by Filipinoboi122|CDS
[7/19/2006 9:24 PM] <Everton[k8s]> If you were to kick them out of LUE, why should the same not be done for the war councils and emperor of the NPO?
[7/19/2006 9:24 PM] <kamichi_busy> How would banishment differ from kicking them out of LUE? Out of curiousity.
[7/19/2006 9:24 PM] <Sir_Paul> Banishment from the game
[7/19/2006 9:24 PM] <Sir_Paul> ZI club
[7/19/2006 9:24 PM] <kamichi_busy> Ok
[7/19/2006 9:24 PM] === Chris_Kaos invited Prodigal into channel #peace
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Sir_Paul> Can I have a confidentiality agreement here first?
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[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o Prodigal by Filipinoboi122|CDS
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Agreed
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Dasgirl|GATO> of course
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Ragashingo> Sure
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'm going to say things here and then say stuff publically and they won't match
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Prodigal> Hi All. *Salutes*
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> yes
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Yes
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Hey, PC.
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Sir_Paul> Can I have a confidentiality agreement here first? (for PC)
[7/19/2006 9:25 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'm going to say things here and then say stuff publically and they won't match
[7/19/2006 9:26 PM] <Sir_Paul> PC? Do you agree?
[7/19/2006 9:26 PM] <Sir_Paul> Hello?
[7/19/2006 9:26 PM] * Hrmmm[ODN] pokes Prodigal
[7/19/2006 9:26 PM] <Everton[k8s]> I'd like to propose a quick break at update time, by the way..I've got battles to fight.
[7/19/2006 9:26 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Same here.
[7/19/2006 9:26 PM] <Prodigal> Hey Sorry, I was in msn all these clowns writing to me.
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, of course discretion is assured.
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Technically, we should call a cease-fire while we negotiate peace.
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Sir_Paul> I was hoping to get this hammered out before then, but fine, I've got some fighting to do myself
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No lets keep going. We all know CN lags anyway.
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <IamJoe[IRON]> I agree
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <IamJoe[IRON]> (late)
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Multitask
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> yup
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Lagavond|GATO> Agreed.
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Sir_Paul> ok
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ivan is going to give a speech about justice.
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> should we call a truce then before the updates happens?
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> k
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Cease-fire.
[7/19/2006 9:27 PM] <Chris_Kaos> If anything.
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'll accept that
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Prodigal> I am for cease-fire that's a good idea.
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Too complicated 30 minutes before update..
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <kamichi_busy> I disagree with a ceasefire so soon. It's just not logistical
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Chris_Kaos> All right. I'll issue the order.
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No Fili, we're fine. By the time orders get out it'll be too late.
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Everton[k8s]> No, chris..
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Lagavond|GATO> We have half an hour to let EVERYONE know about the ceasefire
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> wont hurt to try
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Sir_Paul> NPO can do our end
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Prodigal> Ok so we are we issuing the order or not? Yes, it seems too difficult doesn't it.
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Lagavond|GATO> Yes it will. It changes battle plans.
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Everton[k8s]> I don't want a cease-fire right now.
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> k
[7/19/2006 9:28 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Too complicated, and I don't know how close we are to peace.
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Sir_Paul> Well, how about between members of the CoaLUEsion?
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Prodigal> How about we vote on a cease-fire quickly?
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <TheEric> there's no way I can get all the ODNers to ceasefire in 30 minutes
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Everton[k8s]> There's 1000+ nations in this war. It's logically impossible.
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Lagavond|GATO> Nor can we.
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Chris_Kaos> True.
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No ceasefire
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Anomaly> I got an idea. Let's sit here and debate whether we cn do a cease-fire until time runs out. <_<
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <TheEric> XD
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Anomaly> can*
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Sir_Paul> very well, just less infrastructure to make money for rep
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Chris_Kaos> XD
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Prodigal> Yeah of course there will be SOME who will fire. But that's to be expected. Even when peace is eventually made there will be stragglers who don't ceasefire!
[7/19/2006 9:29 PM] <Everton[k8s]> There will be more than "some", PC.
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> we might as well TRY to call cease fire to save some antions $$ and infra
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <kamichi_busy> But there will be so many firing that it will make no difference
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <TheEric> I'll pull back what I can Paul.. but there will be attacks
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> it'll be less to pay
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ceasefire or no? We have battle plans too
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> i say yes
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Everton[k8s]> I say no.
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Prodigal> Ok no cease-fire then. I could get most of the GGA to stop in time
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <kamichi_busy> I say no
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Prodigal> I say yes we try it at least
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Prodigal, if we cease-fire, I will not stand by as my nation gets owned by someone who didn't hear it
[7/19/2006 9:30 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I am about three seconds away from deoping everyone and voicing only those who NEED to talk.
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Everton[k8s]> We can say the same for hundreds
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Prodigal> yeah so hit him back then tell him there's a ceasefire
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Because this is rediculous.
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Sir_Paul> Fine, no ceasefire
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Chris_Kaos> ridiculous*
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> k
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Sir_Paul> NPO is against ceasefire
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Sir_Paul> issue closed
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Yoda> lol
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Done
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <TheEric> XD
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] <Prodigal> Onto the next point of order
[7/19/2006 9:31 PM] === Yoda invited YuuzhannTar into channel #peace
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <Sir_Paul> So, Ivan is going to give a speech on justice
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <Sir_Paul> about how we are the embodiement, blah blah blah
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <Sir_Paul> But justice has a price
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <TheEric> did you just blah blah blah Ivan?
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <TheEric> <_<
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <Yoda> rofl
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ok, price...
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <Prodigal> yeah but this is a secret convo TE! :)
[7/19/2006 9:32 PM] <Sir_Paul> As honorable nations, we will bring those to justice
[7/19/2006 9:33 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Let him continue.
[7/19/2006 9:33 PM] <Sir_Paul> The CoaLUEsion will do X to <insert people>
[7/19/2006 9:33 PM] <Sir_Paul> provided we give them Y
[7/19/2006 9:33 PM] <Sir_Paul> We do this for the honor of the world
[7/19/2006 9:33 PM] <Sir_Paul> then he appologizes for his bad tactics on acheving justice
[7/19/2006 9:34 PM] <Sir_Paul> making it just for us to do Y
[7/19/2006 9:34 PM] <TheEric> Is NpO on board with this?
[7/19/2006 9:34 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Sorry, provided LUE do X. Not the rest of the CoaLUEtion's worry to deal with the members of LUE.
[7/19/2006 9:34 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> he is speaking on behalf oof the NPO and NpO
[7/19/2006 9:34 PM] <Sir_Paul> But whatever I broker must be approved by them
[7/19/2006 9:34 PM] <Sir_Paul> and quite frankely, democracy killed us. War mongerers got elected and Ivan had to appoint moderates (dilber) to keep the balance.
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] === Anomaly invited dirty into channel #peace
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[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] <Sir_Paul> So essentially, either an appology, or "justice"
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o dirty by Anomaly
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Pierce, KJ and Moo...not cool.
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o dirty by Hrmmm[ODN]
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] <dirty> Greedtings
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 3/4 war mongerers.
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> hi
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] <Prodigal> Hi
[7/19/2006 9:35 PM] <Prodigal> Yeah CK is right, here here
[7/19/2006 9:36 PM] <Everton[k8s]> I think we're underestimating Ivan's role in this..he could have said "no"..
[7/19/2006 9:36 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Luigi was sane.
[7/19/2006 9:36 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Very true.
[7/19/2006 9:36 PM] <Chris_Kaos> That is not the issue though.
[7/19/2006 9:36 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> On topic?
[7/19/2006 9:36 PM] <Sir_Paul> You guys choose plan 1, plan 2, or give me a new plan
[7/19/2006 9:36 PM] <Sir_Paul> then we hammer out details
[7/19/2006 9:37 PM] <Sir_Paul> then I launch 6 CMs, invade twice, and we come back and do it some more
[7/19/2006 9:37 PM] <TheEric> good plan
[7/19/2006 9:37 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We need three things for this to work (GATO, although I suspect the CoaLUEtion will agree):
[7/19/2006 9:37 PM] <Sir_Paul> Plan 2?
[7/19/2006 9:37 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 1. Ivan and Tyga need to apologize for going about this the wrong way.
[7/19/2006 9:38 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 2. Reparations.
[7/19/2006 9:38 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 3. Nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
[7/19/2006 9:38 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> I'm leaning towards Plan two, with appologies from Ivan and Tyga
[7/19/2006 9:38 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> I agree with Hrmmm[ODN]
[7/19/2006 9:38 PM] <Prodigal> I like 2 and 3, but Hrmmm's idea as well
[7/19/2006 9:39 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'm only authorized to "agree" to reperations provide LUE does justice on their end.
[7/19/2006 9:39 PM] <Prodigal> So Hrmmm's idea plus 3. All alliances need to cut it out with the nukes
[7/19/2006 9:39 PM] <Chris_Kaos> And, I think we can work on reinstating the Dove Doctrine.
[7/19/2006 9:39 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> That's between NPO and GATO Chris. Another time
[7/19/2006 9:39 PM] === Anomaly invited Frank into channel #peace
[7/19/2006 9:39 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Bah. I know. I speak for GATO.
[7/19/2006 9:39 PM] <Sir_Paul> Alright, but for plan two to be accepted, you'll have to allow me and Ivan some "save face" room.
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[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <TheEric> alright.. Anom.. what's LUE willing?
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Prodigal> Hey Frank!
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <kamichi_busy> One issue that hasn't been addressed thusfar, how do we determine who the guilty LUE members are?
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o Frank by Filipinoboi122|CDS
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Frank> Hey
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> So, this:
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <TheEric> I agree kam
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> [23:33] <Sir_Paul> The CoaLUEsion will do X to <insert people>
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> [23:33] <Sir_Paul> provided we give them Y
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> [23:33] <Sir_Paul> We do this for the honor of the world
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> [23:33] <Sir_Paul> then he appologizes for his bad tactics on acheving justice
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> [23:33] <Sir_Paul> making it just for us to do Y
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Prodigal> Of course you have to save face Sir Paul. We all do, and all of us have to go back to our people with equitable deals here.
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> With appologies from Tyga, and Ivan.
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> And a gentlemens agreement about the nukes
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Sir_Paul> of course
[7/19/2006 9:40 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No frist strike tactics
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> What does everyone think about that?
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Everton[k8s]> NPO already has a no first strike tactic, and their emperor ignored it..
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ivan and Me never agreed with Tyga on that
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Chris_Kaos> [00:37:35] <Sir_Paul> Alright, but for plan two to be accepted, you'll have to allow me and Ivan some "save face" room. <====== Yeah. Problem with that. We are not LUE. We don't have to do anything about their members. Reparations to us should be a given.
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> how bout all alliances here sign that we wont use nukes unless attacked with a nuke 1st?
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Sir_Paul> NpO has no first strike polocy
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Sir_Paul> We didn't launch until seattle got hit
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Everton[k8s]> That was already done and broken by NpO..
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Sorry, Sir_Paul
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <TheEric> can we get one on the NpO?
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Yoda> yeah Tyga broke his own rule
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We already have that in GATO.
[7/19/2006 9:41 PM] <Sir_Paul> No, they can launch
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Sir_Paul> NpO = Nukefest
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Sir_Paul> NPO = after seattle was hit
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <TheEric> I know, but would the be willing to change that
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Sir_Paul> yes
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Chris_Kaos> You meant NPO...
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Sir_Paul> I think
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Everton[k8s]> NpO started the war pretty much, though and it seems like NPO joined in because they had to
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Sir_Paul> basically
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Yoda> NpO is lacking no first strike policy?
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Sir_Paul> in Polar Order, 1st strike is OK
[7/19/2006 9:42 PM] <Frank> If the NPO had not joined, this war would not have happened.
[7/19/2006 9:43 PM] <Sir_Paul> 3/4 of WC elected warmongerors
[7/19/2006 9:43 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Lets not point fingers and keep on task please.
[7/19/2006 9:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> This will never get done. Too many people talking out of turn. Nothing can get accomplished this way.
[7/19/2006 9:43 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ok, so, gentlemens agreement on the first strike deal, if violated Z happens.
[7/19/2006 9:44 PM] <Sir_Paul> right. No more 1st strike nukes
[7/19/2006 9:44 PM] <Sir_Paul> Apologies from Tyga and Ivan
[7/19/2006 9:44 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ok. So, X, Y, and Z
[7/19/2006 9:44 PM] <Sir_Paul> But now, the crux
[7/19/2006 9:44 PM] <Sir_Paul> Is LUE willing to punish those in the chatlogs?
[7/19/2006 9:44 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Anomaly
[7/19/2006 9:44 PM] <TheEric> which are the ones that you desire punished?
[7/19/2006 9:45 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Yes, but to what extent we'll have to discuss, and who?
[7/19/2006 9:45 PM] <Sir_Paul> I haven't seen the logs in a while, but I think Duffman was in there
[7/19/2006 9:45 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Tanner I believe was also there.
[7/19/2006 9:45 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> tanner was banend from the game
[7/19/2006 9:45 PM] <Anomaly> We've been discussing what to do with those who supported it after the war on our private boards for some time.
[7/19/2006 9:45 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> nm then
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] <Anomaly> We postponed it because of the whole, y'know, war thing.
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] <Anomaly> >_>
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] <Sir_Paul> I know. I know
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Well, leaving them to the NPpO may be your best course of action.
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] <Sir_Paul> I've been working toward some structural changes in the NPO, as I've discussed with Jefficus
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] === Filipinoboi122|CDS invited kevthebassman into channel #peace
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] <Anomaly> Jefficus isn't in LUE leadership anymore.
[7/19/2006 9:46 PM] <kamichi_busy> He is also leaving the game.
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] <Anomaly> He left some time ago. >_>
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] <Sir_Paul> Sorry, hard to keep track
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] <Sir_Paul> Wasn't that long ago
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] === Filipinoboi122|CDS invited kevthebassman into channel #peace
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] <Sir_Paul> Just a few days before the war, I believe
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] <Chris_Kaos> �12For emphasis. This isn't going anywhere. We all need to stop speaking out of turn and figure out who speaks for whom and go about this in an orderly fashion.
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] <Sir_Paul> We were discussing the LUE dissolving of the NAP
[7/19/2006 9:47 PM] <Sir_Paul> LUE--> Decision on board offenders
[7/19/2006 9:48 PM] <Sir_Paul> Do you agree, in theory, to do something?
[7/19/2006 9:48 PM] <Everton[k8s]> Yes
[7/19/2006 9:48 PM] <Anomaly> Of course.
[7/19/2006 9:48 PM] <Sir_Paul> How harsh, in theory, are you willing to be?
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[7/19/2006 9:48 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o kevthebassman by Filipinoboi122|CDS
[7/19/2006 9:48 PM] <kevthebassman> kevin the great from gga
[7/19/2006 9:48 PM] <Prodigal> hey kevin
[7/19/2006 9:49 PM] <Sir_Paul> hey, loose lips sink peace agreements and all that. Please repeat nothing said in here. I'm being very candid
[7/19/2006 9:49 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> agreed
[7/19/2006 9:49 PM] <Sir_Paul> Welcome Kevin
[7/19/2006 9:49 PM] <kevthebassman> thank you
[7/19/2006 9:49 PM] <kevthebassman> who is everybody in here
[7/19/2006 9:50 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Lets continue.
[7/19/2006 9:50 PM] <kevthebassman> i remember most of the names
[7/19/2006 9:50 PM] <Sir_Paul> While LUE is thinking, I'm going to recap NPO actions
[7/19/2006 9:50 PM] <TheEric> kev.. go to osnap for outside convo
[7/19/2006 9:50 PM] <Chris_Kaos> �12All right...this is beginning to piss me off. This isn't going in an orderly fashion. I, and I am sure others, am getting lost.
[7/19/2006 9:50 PM] <Sir_Paul> 2 appologies
[7/19/2006 9:50 PM] <Sir_Paul> Reperations
[7/19/2006 9:51 PM] <Sir_Paul> Nuke treaty
[7/19/2006 9:51 PM] =-= Mode #peace +m by ChanServ
[7/19/2006 9:51 PM] <Sir_Paul> Is that where we stand with NPO concessions?
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o Yoda by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o Ragashingo by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] <TheEric> to my understanding, yes
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o Nero by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o Dasgirl|GATO by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o Lagavond|GATO by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o TheEric by TheEric
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> That seems good as far as a base course of action.
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] <Chris_Kaos> ...
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ok. LUE has agreed to punish the offenders.
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] <Sir_Paul> Now we need to talk numbers
[7/19/2006 9:52 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> So now, we need to decide what these reparations are.
[7/19/2006 9:53 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> indeed.
[7/19/2006 9:53 PM] <Chris_Kaos> One moment. I am figuring out how to do this better. I am deoping people now.
[7/19/2006 9:53 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o kamichi_busy by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:53 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o Everton[k8s] by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:53 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o kevthebassman by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:53 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Ano can talk for LUE.
[7/19/2006 9:54 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Anomaly are you there
[7/19/2006 9:54 PM] <Anomaly> <_< Sort of.
[7/19/2006 9:54 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Stay here and negotiate.
[7/19/2006 9:55 PM] <Anomaly> I'd need to talk to the members of LUE before negotiating anything.
[7/19/2006 9:55 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Well, you'll stay the only one able to talk, for now.
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> So, while he's doing his thing. Lets talk NPO reparations.
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> 5 minutes
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Sir_Paul> While Anomaly is finding out what LUE is willing to do to the chatlog people, let's talk NPO reps
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We can come back to Anomaly when he's ready.
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> k
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Prodigal> Excuse me, but I might say something here -- I am not being flippant when I write this, but would the NPO have talks like these, equitable and fair ones, if they were winning? If it were the other way around, would this be happening?
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Sir_Paul> Depends on who is in war council
[7/19/2006 9:56 PM] <Sir_Paul> When CL is in power, probably
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[7/19/2006 9:57 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o dirty by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:57 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o krobzy by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 9:57 PM] <Sir_Paul> When King Justin is in power, probably not
[7/19/2006 9:57 PM] <Sir_Paul> besides, you're the bigger man, right?
[7/19/2006 9:57 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> So, NPO reps
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Sir_Paul> Come up with a number
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Prodigal> I doubt it -- the NPO would humiliate the other side if they were winning, crush the other side, then force an oath. Set up another puppet alliance on another team, is this not the way?
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We are in this channel for peace, if you don't want peace, please leave.
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Sir_Paul> Fine. Humiliate me. I've already drafted a FTW speech.
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Sir_Paul> We can have peace, or a long war.
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Prodigal> Not to throw a wrench in the way of peace, these are questions though that people have. I'm not trying to humiliate you, as you're honorable.
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Sir_Paul> We tried oaths, the don't work.
[7/19/2006 9:58 PM] <Sir_Paul> We tried reprations, they don't work
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Can we get back to the topic at hand?
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Reparations.
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Sir_Paul> ok, i'll start
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Chris_Kaos> This is a gross underestimation, but I believe 10 million would be in order for GATO. It would allow us to build up a few nations again.
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We've lost way, way more than that.
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Sir_Paul> So has everyone
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Right.
[7/19/2006 9:59 PM] <Sir_Paul> and we'll all lose more if I go back and the number is too big
[7/19/2006 10:00 PM] <Sir_Paul> Other alliances?
[7/19/2006 10:00 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 10 million isn't a big number.
[7/19/2006 10:00 PM] <Sir_Paul> It's not, but that's just one alliance
[7/19/2006 10:00 PM] <Chris_Kaos> GATO is bigger than any two alliance in the CoaLUEtion.
[7/19/2006 10:00 PM] <Sir_Paul> NPO would be reluctant to grant $ to bandwagon member, though.
[7/19/2006 10:00 PM] <Sir_Paul> *members
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> ODN would require less as we came in a few days late a didn't take the full brunt of attacks.
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Sir_Paul> Their shares would have to be channeled through you
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Hardly bandwagoners.[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We fought for our allies.
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Sir_Paul> I know
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Sir_Paul> Not you
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'm talking about non-treaty bound people
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Sir_Paul> who joined to contain the cancer of the order
[7/19/2006 10:01 PM] <Sir_Paul> Generally about 20-30 members
[7/19/2006 10:02 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Ah. Well, that can't be helped.
[7/19/2006 10:02 PM] <Sir_Paul> You know who I'm talking about
[7/19/2006 10:02 PM] <Chris_Kaos> They might lose on this.
[7/19/2006 10:02 PM] <Sir_Paul> If you want to ask for 11 million and give them 1 million, you're more than welcome too
[7/19/2006 10:02 PM] <Frank> What does the GGA and other alliances get?
[7/19/2006 10:03 PM] <Sir_Paul> Come up with a number
[7/19/2006 10:03 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Sorry, my number was for GATO alone. I didn't account other alliances.
[7/19/2006 10:03 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> thats ok chris
[7/19/2006 10:03 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> ODN figures 1 million would be fair.
[7/19/2006 10:04 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Correction, 1.5
[7/19/2006 10:04 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'll hit up Legion and see if they'll float a marshal plan. GGA?
[7/19/2006 10:04 PM] <Prodigal> GGA factors in 3 million
[7/19/2006 10:05 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> 14.5 million...
[7/19/2006 10:05 PM] <Sir_Paul> and for the others?
[7/19/2006 10:06 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> I think 2 million is good for the CDS
[7/19/2006 10:06 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Will LUE be recieving any Sir_Paul?
[7/19/2006 10:06 PM] <Frank> The Federation is a small alliance, but we did enter the war on the first day. Two of our larger nations were nuked. Myself and Barter Town. We could use this money to strengthen our lower ranking members. I'd say the same as the CDS.
[7/19/2006 10:07 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> the reasoning for the 2 million is the same as frank's
[7/19/2006 10:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> Freindly reminder on posturing, majority of $ must go to those who had a direct MDP
[7/19/2006 10:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> Preferably all
[7/19/2006 10:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> and aided around later
[7/19/2006 10:08 PM] <Chris_Kaos> The 10 million I have put forth is only for GATO.
[7/19/2006 10:08 PM] <Sir_Paul> I understand
[7/19/2006 10:09 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'm trying to get a big, round number
[7/19/2006 10:09 PM] <Sir_Paul> 20M
[7/19/2006 10:09 PM] <Sir_Paul> 25M?
[7/19/2006 10:09 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Right, 20 million seems fine.
[7/19/2006 10:09 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I think that would be reasonable.
[7/19/2006 10:09 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We're up to 18.5 million now.
[7/19/2006 10:10 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 20M could probably cover everyone's needs.
[7/19/2006 10:10 PM] <Sir_Paul> alright.
[7/19/2006 10:10 PM] <Anomaly> LUE wasn't included in the reparation negotiation yet.
[7/19/2006 10:10 PM] <Anomaly> >_>
[7/19/2006 10:10 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 25M then. And we can figure out who gets what after.
[7/19/2006 10:11 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Between the CoaLUEtion.
[7/19/2006 10:11 PM] <Anomaly> Considering we were attacked, which I still beleive was unfairly, I do beleive we...>_>
[7/19/2006 10:11 PM] <Frank> In all fairness, Chris. If it wasn't for the "bandwagoners" I doubt we would be having these talks.
[7/19/2006 10:11 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Well, does a 30 member alliance really need 2 million? I mean, be realistic...
[7/19/2006 10:11 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Probably, not, no.
[7/19/2006 10:12 PM] <Frank> We can make a deal with the CDS.
[7/19/2006 10:12 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> aye
[7/19/2006 10:12 PM] <Prodigal> Perhaps the CDS and the Federation can get a pool of money to split?
[7/19/2006 10:12 PM] <Frank> Bingo.
[7/19/2006 10:13 PM] <Frank> Maybe $1.25 million each.
[7/19/2006 10:13 PM] <Sir_Paul> OK. Last order of buisness. LUE...
[7/19/2006 10:13 PM] <Prodigal> Alliances such as the NDN deserve nothing. Their leader is in peace mode so let's not get crazy with reperations as it is honorable of the NPO to do so in the first place, and we're all impressed.
[7/19/2006 10:13 PM] <Chris_Kaos> PC, now's not the time for the NDN issue.
[7/19/2006 10:13 PM] <Prodigal> What kind of "alliance" declares when then goes into peace mode? :)
[7/19/2006 10:14 PM] <Sir_Paul> PC, we'll carve out the pound of flesh later
[7/19/2006 10:14 PM] <Prodigal> It's just some levity for a stuffy meeting.
[7/19/2006 10:14 PM] <Sir_Paul> Anomoly, I'm buying justice.
[7/19/2006 10:14 PM] <Sir_Paul> What is the NPO buying?
[7/19/2006 10:14 PM] <Frank> What about the players not in the peace discussion? I think the NPO should declare a de facto ceasefire with them as long as they don't attack.
[7/19/2006 10:15 PM] <Frank> I'd hate to think of people being left out to dry because they weren't let into this discussion.
[7/19/2006 10:15 PM] <Sir_Paul> We just had the update bombing, ceasefire goes both ways
[7/19/2006 10:16 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Back to reparations, please?
[7/19/2006 10:16 PM] <Sir_Paul> 25M
[7/19/2006 10:16 PM] <Frank> Ceasefire has not yet been declared. We are discussion the terms.
[7/19/2006 10:16 PM] <Sir_Paul> that's the CoaLUEsion share
[7/19/2006 10:16 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o dirty by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 10:16 PM] <Frank> Ok
[7/19/2006 10:16 PM] <Sir_Paul> that I'm taking to the NPO WC
[7/19/2006 10:17 PM] <Sir_Paul> Now, what is LUE going to do with their members?
[7/19/2006 10:17 PM] <Anomaly> We haven't decided that yet officially.
[7/19/2006 10:18 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> When will this be decided?
[7/19/2006 10:18 PM] <Anomaly> A lot of things about this war, including what is to be done with those members, I beleive, is best left up to the public of LUE to decide.
[7/19/2006 10:18 PM] <Anomaly> I'll need to consult them.
[7/19/2006 10:18 PM] <IamJoe[IRON]> hi, is it alright if I invite my allaince leader in? I know we were not in the fight, but I think its more appropriate for her to here than me, who has no power.
[7/19/2006 10:18 PM] <Sir_Paul> She'd be behind and have no way to catch up
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I don't think IRON should be here at all.
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'd just give her a synopsis
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <IamJoe[IRON]> mml
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <IamJoe[IRON]> alright I'
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <IamJoe[IRON]> ll go
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No. You can stay,
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <Chris_Kaos> But I don't know why you are here, to be honest.
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> You're fine Joe.
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <IamJoe[IRON]> someone told me to join in osnap
[7/19/2006 10:19 PM] <Sir_Paul> NPO can not agree to these terms without knowing what will happen.
[7/19/2006 10:20 PM] <Sir_Paul> A ceasefire then?
[7/19/2006 10:20 PM] <Prodigal> Aye
[7/19/2006 10:20 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Yes, call a 24 hours ceasefire and meet here again tomorrow night
[7/19/2006 10:20 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> I will agree to that
[7/19/2006 10:20 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I will as well.
[7/19/2006 10:20 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Anomaly, I'm gooing to hound you all day tomorrow so you have something set up...
[7/19/2006 10:20 PM] <Prodigal> What time does this ceasefire begin?
[7/19/2006 10:21 PM] <Sir_Paul> 1 hour after update?
[7/19/2006 10:21 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Yes
[7/19/2006 10:21 PM] <Anomaly> Uh, a few of the members in the council room aren't in agreement with that. I hate to bring it up, but...
[7/19/2006 10:21 PM] <Frank> Sounds good to me.
[7/19/2006 10:21 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Easy to figure out.
[7/19/2006 10:21 PM] <Prodigal> Ok sounds good.
[7/19/2006 10:21 PM] <Sir_Paul> I'll wait
[7/19/2006 10:22 PM] <Sir_Paul> actually, that really won't work. Again, 30 min to inform everyone
[7/19/2006 10:23 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Upon further consideration, GATO doesn't want a cease-fire.
[7/19/2006 10:23 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> <_<
[7/19/2006 10:23 PM] <Prodigal> No ceasefire?
[7/19/2006 10:23 PM] <Anomaly> Yes, after talking with the others, it seems like we've come to a conclusion a cease-fire is not in our best interests.
[7/19/2006 10:23 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Not for GATO.
[7/19/2006 10:24 PM] <Prodigal> GGA follows our LUE allies
[7/19/2006 10:24 PM] <Sir_Paul> ODN?
[7/19/2006 10:25 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> I agree with our allies
[7/19/2006 10:25 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> 30 seconds...
[7/19/2006 10:25 PM] <Frank> No ceasefire for the Feds either.
[7/19/2006 10:26 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> ODN suggests that no nuclear weapons be fired during the 24 hour period when we next convene.
[7/19/2006 10:26 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We will not fire any nukes and request that other alliances follow suit.
[7/19/2006 10:26 PM] <Chris_Kaos> GATO cannot agree to that.
[7/19/2006 10:26 PM] <Prodigal> See CK's message
[7/19/2006 10:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> ODN will not be using nukes.
[7/19/2006 10:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Please convey this to the NPpO Sir_Paul
[7/19/2006 10:27 PM] <Sir_Paul> ever?
[7/19/2006 10:27 PM] <Sir_Paul> for 24 hrs?
[7/19/2006 10:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> For this 24 hours period
[7/19/2006 10:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> hour*
[7/19/2006 10:27 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We would't be able to contact our members to tell them not to nuke anyhow.
[7/19/2006 10:30 PM] <Prodigal> Yeah CK is right, yet again. Logistically impossible to tell all members in such a short time span
[7/19/2006 10:31 PM] <Sir_Paul> Fine, no attacks at next update
[7/19/2006 10:31 PM] <Sir_Paul> 23:30 to tell
[7/19/2006 10:31 PM] <Chris_Kaos> GATO doesn't agree.
[7/19/2006 10:31 PM] <krobzy> NAAC doesnt agree
[7/19/2006 10:32 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No cease fire is no cease fire.
[7/19/2006 10:32 PM] <Prodigal> GGA doesn't either
[7/19/2006 10:33 PM] <Sir_Paul> Fine.
[7/19/2006 10:33 PM] <Prodigal> This is sad as I don't like fighting against you Sir Paul, you're a credit to your alliance.
[7/19/2006 10:34 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Indeed.
[7/19/2006 10:34 PM] <Chris_Kaos> You are one of the great NPOers. I hope you run for AC one day. You'd make a fine councilman.
[7/19/2006 10:34 PM] <krobzy> yes you would Sir Paul
[7/19/2006 10:35 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I suspect you prefer diplomacy and FA over Defense.
[7/19/2006 10:35 PM] <Sir_Paul> Please invite Ivan_Moldavi
[7/19/2006 10:35 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> So, what have we accomplished tonight so we know where to pick up
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[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Hello, Ivan.
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o Ivan_Moldavi by Hrmmm[ODN]
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Hello
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> hi
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] <Chris_Kaos> How are you today?
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am great, you?
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] <Prodigal> Hi, how are ya Ivan?
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] * Ivan_Moldavi wonders if the niceties are necessary
[7/19/2006 10:36 PM] <Prodigal> It's good to be pleasant to one another.
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] * Chris_Kaos laughs.
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No, I guess not.
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Prodigal> :)
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Chris_Kaos> But still better to be civil.
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Prodigal> ha yeah true enough.
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I prefer to treat with people directly the way they treat with me in secret
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> mk
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Contrary to popular belief in your alliance, I do not hate any one of you. I believe Mussolandia recently discovered that.
[7/19/2006 10:37 PM] <Prodigal> Huh?
[7/19/2006 10:38 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am not concerned with that.
[7/19/2006 10:38 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No, I guess you wouldn't be.
[7/19/2006 10:38 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have been informed that certain parties have been discussing terms.
[7/19/2006 10:38 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I would like to entertain such
[7/19/2006 10:38 PM] <Prodigal> We were but they didn't work out too well.
[7/19/2006 10:38 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Alright then, what have we accomplished tonight... 1. Appologies, 2. Reparations, 3. Nuclear Treaty of sorts
[7/19/2006 10:39 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Then please reiterate #1 and #2 for my benefit
[7/19/2006 10:39 PM] <Sir_Paul> And in exchange, we get?
[7/19/2006 10:39 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Appologies would be all around.
[7/19/2006 10:39 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> 1, done. 2, 25 mil to the coaLUEtion and TBD from LUE as thy need to discuss
[7/19/2006 10:39 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> 3. No first strike nukes, concequences?
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> TBD from LUE as thy need to discuss <- What does this mean?
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <krobzy> the NAAC would like the NpO to leave team blue, it was because their purpose was to be the anti-NAAC
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <krobzy> [01:23] <Al> to prevent the NAAC from regaining power
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <Chris_Kaos> To be determined. They must ask the public.
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <Sir_Paul> That wasn't discussed
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <Prodigal> Krobzy has a point that's good.
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <krobzy> it wasnt discussed, but it is a term that we hold strong to
[7/19/2006 10:40 PM] <Prodigal> Or a good point as you're write in English!
[7/19/2006 10:41 PM] <Sir_Paul> And you didn't bring it up in the last 2 hours?
[7/19/2006 10:41 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> They need to discuss what will happen to theose members who spoke in favor of Yari's actions
[7/19/2006 10:42 PM] <krobzy> Sir Paul - it took us some time to speak with the rest of the leaders of the NAAC, they all were not available until recently
[7/19/2006 10:42 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I would favor a reparation payment from NPO to all alliances in the Coalition except GATO, with LUE matching that amount in its entirety to those same alliances.
[7/19/2006 10:42 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Why with the exception of GATO?
[7/19/2006 10:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Because we honoured our treaties?
[7/19/2006 10:43 PM] <Prodigal> GATO cannot be frozen out.
[7/19/2006 10:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No. We have received and done the most damage.
[7/19/2006 10:43 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Because you failed to honor the Dove Doctrine
[7/19/2006 10:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Likely more than all CoaLUEtion alliances combined.
[7/19/2006 10:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No. The Dove Doctrine, as an NAP, is superceeded by an NAP.
[7/19/2006 10:44 PM] <Chris_Kaos> MDP.
[7/19/2006 10:44 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No. The Dove Doctrine, as an NAP, is superceeded by an MDP.****
[7/19/2006 10:44 PM] <Sir_Paul> Or, you wait four days and honor both
[7/19/2006 10:44 PM] <Prodigal> That's true.
[7/19/2006 10:45 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I would pay the ODN $500k, the GGA $500k and the smaller alliances $1million apiece.
[7/19/2006 10:46 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I will not pay GATO or LUE a dime
[7/19/2006 10:46 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Sorry, that is just the way it is.
[7/19/2006 10:46 PM] <Prodigal> The GGA accepts! Nice doing business with you. War over.
[7/19/2006 10:46 PM] * Chris_Kaos laughs.
[7/19/2006 10:46 PM] <Prodigal> Joking haha Those terms are not going to work. It's either all or nothing.
[7/19/2006 10:46 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Then it is nothing
[7/19/2006 10:46 PM] <Sir_Paul> Come now, PC.
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Shall I see myself out?
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I thought you were better at diplomacy. Sir Paul was making headway.
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am not here to make headway with opportunists
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <dirty> Nor are we
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have made no demands
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Prodigal> Opportunists? We merely want justice. Sir Paul was talking sense.
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Sir Paul was talking out of turn
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am talking now
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <krobzy> the NpO needs to be removed from the blue team
[7/19/2006 10:47 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We are not opportunists. We are an honourable alliance. We honour our treaties.
[7/19/2006 10:48 PM] <krobzy> that is a term that is necessary
[7/19/2006 10:48 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Then you are in for the long haul
[7/19/2006 10:48 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Regardless of the outcome, this will hurt us all
[7/19/2006 10:48 PM] <Prodigal> I'm glad the bull came into the china shop.
[7/19/2006 10:48 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I offered peace to LUE earlier tonight.
[7/19/2006 10:48 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I offered peace to GATO yesterday
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Prodigal> Peace with honor is what is demanded.
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I offered peace to the ODN
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Peace is peace.
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> There is little honor in war
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, these are seperate peace offers designed to split the coalition.
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Prodigal> Interesting someone who's thrived on war would believe it has such little honor.
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> No, Anomoly stated to Dilber that he spoke for the Coalition as a whole
[7/19/2006 10:49 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Anomaly does not speak for GATO.
[7/19/2006 10:50 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Not what was stated earlier
[7/19/2006 10:50 PM] <Anomaly> No, I did not say I spoke for the coaLUEtion.
[7/19/2006 10:50 PM] <Anomaly> It's paraphrasing.
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[7/19/2006 10:50 PM] <Anomaly> I stated that I couldn't negotiate peace alone because the coaLUEtion was more than just LUE.
[7/19/2006 10:50 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> <Anomaly> I represent the coaLUEtion when you want me to declare peace, because I know all of the coaLUEtion will back down if I do.
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[7/19/2006 10:50 PM] <Anomaly> Read my above statement.
[7/19/2006 10:51 PM] <dirty> This is going no where. Progress was being made until several minutes ago.
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[7/19/2006 10:51 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If progress included Sir Paul agreeing to something concerning the NpO that is a farce. We have no say over the NpO
[7/19/2006 10:51 PM] <Sir_Paul> I made no such agreements
[7/19/2006 10:51 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, and I have no say over the GGA
[7/19/2006 10:52 PM] <Chris_Kaos> He said he was authorized by both you and Tygaland.
[7/19/2006 10:52 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If progress included paying $10million dollars to the biggest backstabbers in CN then no progress was made.
[7/19/2006 10:52 PM] <Prodigal> Let's be honest, you obviously have say over the NpO
[7/19/2006 10:52 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> No, I do not.
[7/19/2006 10:52 PM] <Prodigal> GATO was fighting for their brethren in LUE as they were invaded.
[7/19/2006 10:52 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If I did I sure as hell wouldn't be here speaking with you lot at all on this subject
[7/19/2006 10:52 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I plan better
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Nope. Because Tyga never would have fired that missle.
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> But I do not surrender
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> You are a fool.
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Prodigal> But war was planned since July 11th.
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Not this war
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Sir_Paul> Do you even watch CNQ?
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Sir_Paul> Alert one was stood down on the 14th
[7/19/2006 10:53 PM] <Sir_Paul> Goatse happened on the 15ht
[7/19/2006 10:54 PM] <Prodigal> I've never heard of the NPO just jumping into a war, is that supposed to be believed?
[7/19/2006 10:55 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Log from a private room on the 16th:
[7/19/2006 10:55 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> [00:02] <@Dilber> did you just launch?
[7/19/2006 10:55 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> [00:02] <@Tygaland> yes
[7/19/2006 10:55 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I was not present
[7/19/2006 10:55 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> We were surprised.
[7/19/2006 10:55 PM] <Prodigal> I watched CNQ it was a good edition, and listened to the war edition. Good stuff.
[7/19/2006 10:55 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> That is irrelevant to the topics at hand but it is the truth
[7/19/2006 10:56 PM] <Prodigal> The opportunity at finally smashing LUE arrived, and you took it. Why did you have to join NpO?
[7/19/2006 10:57 PM] <Sir_Paul> Remember what we talked about earliers PC?
[7/19/2006 10:57 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> That has been addressed. There was a conversation that took place with GATO and ODN in which it was discussed that action agaist LUE might occur
[7/19/2006 10:57 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Tygaland launched and it forced our hand
[7/19/2006 10:57 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Our treaty with them covers offensive and defensive military action
[7/19/2006 10:58 PM] <Prodigal> They are nothing more than a puppet, yes?
[7/19/2006 10:58 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> No
[7/19/2006 10:58 PM] <Sir_Paul> PC, no.
[7/19/2006 10:58 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> They were originally but they have not been for a long time
[7/19/2006 10:58 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I do not have time to do that, when I stepped down I stepped down.
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[7/19/2006 11:01 PM] <Prodigal> Your take on this war, is that LUE is in the wrong, and that it was honorable for you to back the NpO in an offensive war against them? It was wrong, in your view, for GATO to get involved? The NPO's stance is that you were dragged into a war unwillingly?
[7/19/2006 11:02 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ivan, with all due respect, why not allow a lump sum of money be paid and divided up amongst the coaLUEtion members.
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[7/19/2006 11:02 PM] <Sir_Paul> So was ODN, so was GATO, so were you PC.
[7/19/2006 11:02 PM] <Frank> That doesn't sound like a MDP.
[7/19/2006 11:02 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> LUE can decide what its members will have to endure, whatever that is, and have the NPpO pay 10 million or something to a 'fund' which the coalition can be divded up.
[7/19/2006 11:02 PM] <Sir_Paul> It's a full alliance
[7/19/2006 11:03 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> My only problem with GATO is that they failed to honor the terms of the Dove Doctrine.
[7/19/2006 11:03 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Regardless, they are a part of the coaLUEtion
[7/19/2006 11:03 PM] <Prodigal> SP says it was wrong for the GGA to get involved, but the NPO courted us to be on their side? Which is it?
[7/19/2006 11:03 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I believe the ODN violated an oath to take up the war but were still somewhat justified.
[7/19/2006 11:03 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have never even heard of most of the other dozen or so alliances.
[7/19/2006 11:03 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We are not imposing seperate terms for each alliance, its not fair to do it to us.
[7/19/2006 11:04 PM] <Sir_Paul> PC, do the private chat thing, I'll talk with you there
[7/19/2006 11:04 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, we obviously all stand together and need to be treated as one front.
[7/19/2006 11:04 PM] === #Peace Cannot send to channel
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[7/19/2006 11:04 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Why should I be concerned with small nations that truly had no treatied reason to attack?
[7/19/2006 11:05 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Hrmmm, based on your response here I am to assume our deal earlier was a farce as well?
[7/19/2006 11:05 PM] <Prodigal> They joined the effort because they have seen the way you've crushed alliances before. No one wants to be the next NAAC
[7/19/2006 11:06 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> But everyone supports the chaos that has occured around them
[7/19/2006 11:06 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Makes perfect sense
[7/19/2006 11:06 PM] <Prodigal> It's not chaos for us, as we've come together as one.
[7/19/2006 11:06 PM] <Sir_Paul> Then they are opportunist agressors and will get nothing as we talked about
[7/19/2006 11:06 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> So, how is this then:
[7/19/2006 11:07 PM] <Prodigal> They are not the ones who followed a puppet alliance into a war against an alliance seen as a competitor. That's opportunistic, especially after stepping down on the 14th.
[7/19/2006 11:07 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ivan, with all due respect, this all went to hell when you showed up. If youare not going to give Paul guidelines about what you will allow him to do or will accept, be here yourself
[7/19/2006 11:07 PM] <Chris_Kaos> GATO was honouring an MDP with the LUEnited Nations. The Dove Doctrine was superceeded by the LUEnacy Covenant.
[7/19/2006 11:07 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> ODN and GGA get $1million. GATO gets $2 and the rest get nothing unless they can provide a treatied reason to be in the war, in which case they get $500k?
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Let us cool our heads for a day, and come back to this with a fresh slate.
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] <Prodigal> Wait, we get 500 k more now? Why did our valuation go up?
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I have lost 2 million alone.
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I don't care.
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] =-= Mode #peace +o Ragashingo by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] =-= Ragashingo is now known as iSleep
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o iSleep by iSleep
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I have given you a treatied reason.
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] <Chris_Kaos> GATO was honouring an MDP with the LUEnited Nations. The Dove Doctrine was superceeded by the LUEnacy Covenant.
[7/19/2006 11:08 PM] === #Peace Cannot send to channel
[7/19/2006 11:09 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Exactly, which is why you get twice as much as the others
[7/19/2006 11:09 PM] === #Peace Cannot send to channel
[7/19/2006 11:09 PM] <Prodigal> CK speaks the truth. Obviously a NAP is trumped by an MDP.
[7/19/2006 11:09 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I disagree with the method but understand the logic
[7/19/2006 11:09 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am not certain that such actually makes sense since such issues are usually valuated by time instead of content but whatever
[7/19/2006 11:09 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ivan, you'd need to double those amounts at the minimum to even have a chance the coaLUEtion would accept.
[7/19/2006 11:09 PM] <Prodigal> Why would we accept a lowballed deal?
[7/19/2006 11:10 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Why would I pay more than I should?
[7/19/2006 11:10 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> You have not crushed me
[7/19/2006 11:10 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> You have not even really defeated me
[7/19/2006 11:10 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Because many have fought and crushed those in your alliance.
[7/19/2006 11:10 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> And the reverse is just as true
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ask many NPO members. They are fully defeated sitting in a nuclear crater.
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, that's why we're the ones discussing paying you right?
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Hardly. By my estimates GATO has lost 1/10th of what the NPO has.
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, the GGA can keep going on indefinitely as well
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed.
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> The false bravado is wasted here with me. I know that we are statistically "losing" at present but I also know that that may not necessarily always be the case and that it could drag on for months before anything substantial actually happens
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Sir_Paul> And you'll lose more if we don't have peace
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Chris is correct.
[7/19/2006 11:11 PM] === #Peace Cannot send to channel
[7/19/2006 11:12 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> The NPO will lose much much more than the coaLUEtion will.
[7/19/2006 11:12 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> GATO has lost 1/10th because it started at 1/3 the yes it has lost less but not as much as you claim proportionally
[7/19/2006 11:12 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Again, the bravado is wasted
[7/19/2006 11:12 PM] <Prodigal> You're right, we need to make a deal now or all is lost! ;)
[7/19/2006 11:12 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We have 500 nations in GATO. You have what? 700 in NPO? Less than half.
[7/19/2006 11:12 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Then don't
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[7/19/2006 11:13 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ivan, have you come to the table hoping for peace?
[7/19/2006 11:13 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If you all wish me to leave without a real offer that is fine
[7/19/2006 11:14 PM] <Prodigal> Our new terms are that all of the NPO nations must only be used for farming, no factories of any kind. And 33 billion in reperations!
[7/19/2006 11:14 PM] <Prodigal> I also want a pony.
[7/19/2006 11:14 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I came for peace, not to be the subject of Yarids story
[7/19/2006 11:14 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> You are not, these are negotiations. Please negotiate with us.
[7/19/2006 11:14 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have been
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Prodigal> I was in that story too. Our section at least wasn't criminally insane, just ridiculously disgusting and bizarre. The Rysonia version, that guy yaridovich should have a cop visit him for that.
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I was told $25million
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We came here hoping for peace, you showed up and sscrewed the pooch
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> That is absurd
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Some come here and give us a better number
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Anyone that thought that was remotely reasonable is a moron
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I did
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ok, we don't like it, bring it up
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I offered substantially more than any previous war has ever delivered
[7/19/2006 11:15 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> You picking which alliances get the money is not far to anyone, you know that.
[7/19/2006 11:16 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Of course you did. Times have changed. Any less would have been absurd.
[7/19/2006 11:16 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Okay, so I give the ODN all the money and let you divide it up?
[7/19/2006 11:16 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Although, the number is still ridiculously low.
[7/19/2006 11:16 PM] <Sir_Paul> If we are all sitting in a nuclear crator, how will we pay it?
[7/19/2006 11:16 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No, give the coaLUEtion the money and we will divide it as a whole
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> The CoaLUEtion doesn't exist outside of this war
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Most of your alliances have already stated as much
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Who do I pay?
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We are at war Ivan
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Who's name goes on the check?
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Chris_Kaos> You pay nations designated by the CoaLUEtion amounts designated by the CoaLUEtion.
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Since I can not assist you in dividing it I will let you do it
[7/19/2006 11:17 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We will decide before this war is over, and you will pay the alliances that we decide the amount we decide
[7/19/2006 11:18 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> You sure you wish to word it like that?
[7/19/2006 11:18 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Is that directed at myself, or at Hrmmm?
[7/19/2006 11:18 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Sure is a bit strong, but that's how it will need to work. Do you accept that?
[7/19/2006 11:18 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I will pay $5million. I will issue an apology to all alliances except LUE and I will sign a nonfirst strike nuclear policy act.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Not enough.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I will expect an immediate ceasefire.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 5 million won't cover the damages of two of our nations.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Let alone 1000.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Oh well, not my fault, you chose to launch.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Sir_Paul> Then the number is pointless
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Prodigal> That's big of you but the number is too low. Also, you will bide your time and court other alliances, and then we'll all be back at war again in a month or so.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> There is no time limit and with 700 members, 10 million is easy for you to pick up.
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Much less 5
[7/19/2006 11:19 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> So 10 is acceptable?
[7/19/2006 11:20 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 10 is still ridiculously low.
[7/19/2006 11:20 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> It appears not, 15 may though
[7/19/2006 11:20 PM] <Anomaly> I don't think this is going anywhere. I apologize, but I'm going to take my leave.
[7/19/2006 11:20 PM] <--| Anomaly has left #Peace
[7/19/2006 11:20 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Hrmmm, what you don't understand is that whatever number I state will be too low for Kaos
[7/19/2006 11:20 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> He does not want peace.
[7/19/2006 11:20 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Of course I do.
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I am no war mongerer.
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Prodigal> No, 25 million would be good for CK I'd say, but I cannot speak for him
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> It is absurd that anyone would turn down $10million
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Prodigal> But SP offered a lot more before so the bar has been raised.
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Its not 1 Ivan, its many
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> The rest is collected in taxes
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Sir_Paul> Don't give me that PC
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I cam up with a number of 20 million earlier. For all alliance in the CoaLUEtion. That seemed fair.
[7/19/2006 11:21 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and work for the rebuilding effort instead of asking it to be handed to you. It take two to war.
[7/19/2006 11:22 PM] <Sir_Paul> I offered nothing. I asked what you wanted
[7/19/2006 11:22 PM] <Prodigal> I am not giving you anything SP, just stating how others view the 10 million number. Sorry if reality collides with the dream.
[7/19/2006 11:22 PM] <Prodigal> CK's number is fair.
[7/19/2006 11:22 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> You have a lot to learn about negotiations.
[7/19/2006 11:22 PM] <Prodigal> You'd have to agree that's a fair evaluation.
[7/19/2006 11:22 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> You never ever start with you rock bottom price.
[7/19/2006 11:22 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If I had none you were unprepared I wouldn't have bothered.
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Prodigal> True -- 50 million!
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Chris_Kaos> You have to learn about diplomacy.
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Prodigal> And a pony.
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> 18 Ivan? its a compromise between 25 and your 18
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Chris_Kaos> a lot to*
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If $25million was the bottom line amount then it isn't a negotiation, it is a demand, and it should have been worded as such.
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am too busy to worry about demands.
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Chris_Kaos> It wasn't the bottom line amount. It was a suggested amount.
[7/19/2006 11:23 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I went from a total of 2-3 million to $10 million in four moves and you haven't adjusted at all.
[7/19/2006 11:24 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Work with us Ivan...
[7/19/2006 11:24 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> [02:24] <@Ivan_Moldavi> I went from a total of 2-3 million to $10 million in four moves and you haven't adjusted at all.
[7/19/2006 11:24 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> I'm say 18
[7/19/2006 11:24 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have been
[7/19/2006 11:24 PM] <Prodigal> We just want the honest evaluation Sir Paul offered before. That would work.
[7/19/2006 11:25 PM] <Sir_Paul> I offered no evaluation. I asked what you wanted. We added it up and lo and behold, 25m
[7/19/2006 11:25 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> 18 is the lowest anyone will accept Ivan.
[7/19/2006 11:25 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I was not privy to that but I can assure you that I am every bit as honest as he
[7/19/2006 11:25 PM] <Prodigal> Fine, 25 million then, that's an offer we can all agree to I'm sure.
[7/19/2006 11:26 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Well, my people are saying we should continue to fight for a while yet since your numbers are too high.
[7/19/2006 11:26 PM] <Prodigal> And yours too low.
[7/19/2006 11:26 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Is that your final decision?
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Prodigal> The number would only climb though.
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I only make final decisions
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Prodigal> So in a few days, you might be starting at 25m
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I am willing to stay and negotiate longer.
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Feel free to ask for $50million tomorrow
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> I am too
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> $100million next week
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ivan, sarcasm is not helping.
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <krobzy> we will
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <krobzy> thanks for the offer
[7/19/2006 11:27 PM] <Chris_Kaos> The number will only go up as the war goes on. You know that.
[7/19/2006 11:28 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Only if you start winning soundly
[7/19/2006 11:28 PM] <Chris_Kaos> We are four days in. In another four days...well, I am sure you can do the math.
[7/19/2006 11:28 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Which hasn't actually happened yet
[7/19/2006 11:28 PM] <krobzy> then it seems our time here is wasted
[7/19/2006 11:28 PM] <Sir_Paul> no
[7/19/2006 11:28 PM] <Sir_Paul> we are 10m apart
[7/19/2006 11:29 PM] <krobzy> i hope that we can get back together at a future time and attempt again
[7/19/2006 11:29 PM] <Sir_Paul> perhaps GPA or Legion could cover the rift?
[7/19/2006 11:29 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Statistical analysis shows that you are indeed losing.
[7/19/2006 11:29 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> No, we are $15million apart.
[7/19/2006 11:29 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, that's true CK.
[7/19/2006 11:29 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have not left $10
[7/19/2006 11:29 PM] <Sir_Paul> Ah, my apologies
[7/19/2006 11:30 PM] <Prodigal> Tell you fellas what, add 15m to the 10m, and you've got yourself a deal.
[7/19/2006 11:30 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> What was that about sarcasm?
[7/19/2006 11:30 PM] <Prodigal> I like sarcasm, wasn't me who wrote that.
[7/19/2006 11:30 PM] <Chris_Kaos> PC is trying to lighten the modd, is all.
[7/19/2006 11:30 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Its not helping.
[7/19/2006 11:30 PM] <Chris_Kaos> mood*
[7/19/2006 11:30 PM] <Prodigal> Yes, levity is good.
[7/19/2006 11:31 PM] <Prodigal> Yeah Hrmmm because you've done a great deal to help this along as well.
[7/19/2006 11:31 PM] <Prodigal> Let's not quibble, anyhow, looks like we're at an impasse. Any ideas on how this could be resolved?
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] <Chris_Kaos> PC, I apologize in advance.
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Hrmmm told me earlier tonight that he was going to seek a simple ceasefire and end to the war altogther. That seems to have changed since he is now advocating large reparation payments.
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] =-= Mode #peace -o Prodigal by Chris_Kaos
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Could it have been a lie?
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Prodigal, I've keep my head, be serious and on topic. Ivan didn't want to give GATO anything, he has moved from there.
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ivan, no
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> You will also recal, I said we had allies
[7/19/2006 11:32 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We don't want to piss em off.
[7/19/2006 11:33 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Here I am buddy. I am true to my word.
[7/19/2006 11:33 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I propose that we end talks for today and reconviene tomorrow.
[7/19/2006 11:33 PM] =-= krobzy is now known as krobzy|sleep
[7/19/2006 11:33 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I am sure we are all a little on edge.
[7/19/2006 11:33 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I may not be available tomorrow and I am always calm
[7/19/2006 11:33 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I do this all day, everyday
[7/19/2006 11:34 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am quite good at it if I do say so myself
[7/19/2006 11:34 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Which is why I am perplexed at your inability to move from $25
[7/19/2006 11:34 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Will that change on sleep?
[7/19/2006 11:34 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ivan, might I remind you that this reparations payment will be split amongst NPO and NpO
[7/19/2006 11:34 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I was never stuck on that number.
[7/19/2006 11:34 PM] <Chris_Kaos> That was the high estimate.
[7/19/2006 11:34 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If there was one thing and one thing only that would grant my alliance peace what would that be?
[7/19/2006 11:35 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> You tell us
[7/19/2006 11:35 PM] <Chris_Kaos> There cannot be only one thing, as there are too many people against you to please.
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> No, you are the ones making demands. Anything that I provide to you will be on my terms. Lets do this on your terms. Tell me what that one thing is.
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We had 3.
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> [02:35] <@Chris_Kaos> There cannot be only one thing, as there are too many people against you to please. <- All issues can be summarized on one key point.
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Everything else is circumstantial
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> The nuclear treaty is crap
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Chris_Kaos> It varies for each alliance. Although, I suspect reparations is on most people's minds.
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> The appology and Nuke things you agreed to.
[7/19/2006 11:36 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Anyone would sign that after this chaos
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Indeed.
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> that is a none issue all around
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed, but it would have concequences in an ideal world.
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Chris_Kaos> The apology is to LUE, not to the rest of the CoaLUEtion.
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Ah
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> See, that can never happen
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Never
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am sorry but that is a sticking point
[7/19/2006 11:37 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have moral objections to apologizing to LUE over this
[7/19/2006 11:38 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I will apologize to everyone else that was drawn in without issue or concern
[7/19/2006 11:38 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I believe we can work around that sticking point.
[7/19/2006 11:38 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed
[7/19/2006 11:39 PM] <--| Lagavond|GATO has left #Peace
[7/19/2006 11:39 PM] <Chris_Kaos> So, the one key issue would be reparations.
[7/19/2006 11:39 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> So the one thing is that which is the easiest to replace on your own?
[7/19/2006 11:40 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Easiest to replace...over time.
[7/19/2006 11:40 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Time is always of the essence.
[7/19/2006 11:40 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Well that is a given
[7/19/2006 11:40 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Not if everyone is at peace...or are you preparing more to come?
[7/19/2006 11:41 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I am not a war mongerer, as I said. I want peace.
[7/19/2006 11:41 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> How about 15 mil and an agreement that the NPO won't act militarily (unless to honor treaties) for X months?
[7/19/2006 11:41 PM] <Chris_Kaos> My nation has suffered extensive damages. I would like to rebuild.
[7/19/2006 11:42 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> So would we all
[7/19/2006 11:42 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> [02:41] <@Hrmmm[ODN]> How about 15 mil and an agreement that the NPO won't act militarily (unless to honor treaties) for X months?
[7/19/2006 11:43 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> What about defenses?
[7/19/2006 11:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Well, that is a given.
[7/19/2006 11:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> You may obviously return fire.
[7/19/2006 11:43 PM] <Chris_Kaos> It'd be silly if you didn't.
[7/19/2006 11:43 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> I'm sure some wording can be fixed
[7/19/2006 11:43 PM] <Sir_Paul> We honor our agreements to the letter, regardless of how "silly" it may be.
[7/19/2006 11:44 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> defending yourself? :P
[7/19/2006 11:44 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Yes, I understand. But I am saying that we wouldn't write something saying you had to sit there and take it.
[7/19/2006 11:44 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I think I will stick with the original negotiations
[7/19/2006 11:45 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I do not care for the idea of an oath, especially from some that recently broke one to me.
[7/19/2006 11:45 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> 25 mil, the appologies, and nuke treaty?
[7/19/2006 11:45 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No. Oaths are not effective.
[7/19/2006 11:45 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> 11.25
[7/19/2006 11:45 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Hrmmm believe he speaks for everyone. His number is far too low.
[7/19/2006 11:46 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> So 25m is far too low now?
[7/19/2006 11:46 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Why the Hell am I here?
[7/19/2006 11:46 PM] <Chris_Kaos> That was in reference to 15 million.
[7/19/2006 11:46 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Ah
[7/19/2006 11:46 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> No, he was speaking out the 15 and no war for X months piece you said no to
[7/19/2006 11:47 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Get with it Chris, we've moved on from there. :P
[7/19/2006 11:47 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 25 million, as you have said it too high. I propose 22 million and a blanket NAP.
[7/19/2006 11:47 PM] <Chris_Kaos> is*
[7/19/2006 11:48 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> What would this blanket do?
[7/19/2006 11:48 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I will say as simply a point of reference that while GATO may have suffered more than some others in this war, GATO singularly did not "defeat" the New Pacific Order and without the recent additions of the ODN and NAAC was actually dropping in numbers faster than the NPO so I fail to see why GATO should get the lionshare of anything.
[7/19/2006 11:48 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> that is my personal opinion
[7/19/2006 11:49 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Chris_Kaos what would this blanket NAP do
[7/19/2006 11:49 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Blanket NAP meaning no agressive maneuvers by the CoaLUEtion alliance on the NPO and none on the CoaLUEtion by the NPO.
[7/19/2006 11:49 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> How we divy up the lump sum isn't important now. We just need to work out a number.
[7/19/2006 11:49 PM] <Chris_Kaos> alliances*
[7/19/2006 11:50 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> I could live with that. Would it have an expiration date?
[7/19/2006 11:50 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Yes.
[7/19/2006 11:50 PM] <Chris_Kaos> That can be worked out though.
[7/19/2006 11:50 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Enough time to rebuild, in any case.
[7/19/2006 11:50 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed
[7/19/2006 11:51 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Ivan would you agree to this blanket NAP?
[7/19/2006 11:51 PM] <Chris_Kaos> 3-6 months. Somewhere around there.
[7/19/2006 11:52 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I have not agreed to the amount
[7/19/2006 11:52 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> A question on repayment
[7/19/2006 11:52 PM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> yes?
[7/19/2006 11:53 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> ODN was given a month to pay $1million, shall we pay $1million per month for the next two years?
[7/19/2006 11:53 PM] <Chris_Kaos> No, obviously not.
[7/19/2006 11:53 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Times have changed.
[7/19/2006 11:54 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> We didn't have to pay a million btw. I believe at that time it was 300kl
[7/19/2006 11:54 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> NAAC had 1 million
[7/19/2006 11:54 PM] <Chris_Kaos> I suspect it would be somewhere in the order of two or three months to pay.
[7/19/2006 11:54 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Oh yeah
[7/19/2006 11:54 PM] <Chris_Kaos> It wouln't be unreasonable.
[7/19/2006 11:55 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> So one month to pay 300k to $1million and 2-3 months for $20million is reasonable?
[7/19/2006 11:56 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Yes. I believe that Vladimir put out somewhere in the order of 1 million perday before the war. I expect he can still put out a significant amount. So can many of your nations after the effects of the nuclear weapons wear off.
[7/19/2006 11:56 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed.
[7/19/2006 11:57 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Aid can flow quite quickly. NAAC after being defeated put out 1 million in 9 days
[7/19/2006 11:57 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> And they had.... very few members at the time and were just beaten after the war.
[7/19/2006 11:57 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> But that aid is currently being used to refund those nations that you all so soundly defeated over the last four days
[7/19/2006 11:57 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Oh wait
[7/19/2006 11:57 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> :)
[7/19/2006 11:57 PM] <Chris_Kaos> ...
[7/19/2006 11:58 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Anyhow
[7/19/2006 11:58 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Sans-sarcasm.
[7/19/2006 11:58 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Three months seems reasonable.
[7/19/2006 11:58 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Call it 4.
[7/19/2006 11:58 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> To be on the safe side.
[7/19/2006 11:58 PM] <Chris_Kaos> And, I believe we could use that number for the blanket NAP as well.
[7/19/2006 11:58 PM] <Chris_Kaos> It would make sense.
[7/19/2006 11:59 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> So, 20 mil in 4 months, blanket NAP lasting the same 4 months
[7/20/2006 12:00 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Is that acceptable to GATO?
[7/20/2006 12:00 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> What about the rest of the coalition?
[7/20/2006 12:01 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> GGA? NAAC?
[7/20/2006 12:01 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Acceptable.
[7/20/2006 12:01 AM] =-= Mode #peace +o Prodigal by Chris_Kaos
[7/20/2006 12:01 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Acceptable
[7/20/2006 12:01 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Fine by me.
[7/20/2006 12:01 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> GGA?
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I suspect if GATO, ODN, GGA and NAAC pull out, so will everyone else.
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Ivan, one moment. I am contacting PC.
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed.
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Prodigal?
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If LUE outright refuses this will this have been a wasted effort?
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Chris_Kaos> They will not.
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> NAAC rep is asleep.
[7/20/2006 12:02 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Anomaly assures me he can work with the no apology clause.
[7/20/2006 12:03 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> NAAC demanded more than I could give
[7/20/2006 12:03 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> What was their demand?
[7/20/2006 12:03 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Ivan, you solely represent the NPO, correct?
[7/20/2006 12:03 AM] <Prodigal> The GGA awaits LUE and NAAC's official response before agreeing, but these terms look promising.
[7/20/2006 12:04 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Yes, but not NpO. I will have to confer with Tygaland.
[7/20/2006 12:04 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> NAAC demanded NpO leave blue
[7/20/2006 12:04 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I understand.
[7/20/2006 12:04 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Oh, yeah.. that was outrageous
[7/20/2006 12:05 AM] <Chris_Kaos> This agreement is with the NPO. We will ahve to work with the NpO seperately.
[7/20/2006 12:05 AM] <Chris_Kaos> have*
[7/20/2006 12:05 AM] <Chris_Kaos> One matter is whether or not this number is for the NPpO and not only the NPO. Which is it?
[7/20/2006 12:06 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I was under the impression it is solely for the NPO.
[7/20/2006 12:06 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> I thought it was for both...
[7/20/2006 12:07 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I did as well
[7/20/2006 12:07 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I was planning to hopefully talk T into it
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[7/20/2006 12:07 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> They only had 50-60 nations actually show up to fight.
[7/20/2006 12:07 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Ok
[7/20/2006 12:07 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Ah...
[7/20/2006 12:08 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I suspect that we can work with 20 for both alliances.
[7/20/2006 12:08 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Yeah, that's what I was thinking in the first place
[7/20/2006 12:09 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Is Tyga online by chance?
[7/20/2006 12:09 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Now, as you know I have a certain obligation to a large horde...while the decision is ultimately mine I need a bit of time to aclimate the Order to this decision.
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Of course.
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> As do we.
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Although, from what I have seen, you are pretty convincing.
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Well, for the coalition that is.
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Chris_Kaos> GATO trusts my opinion. They would go with it, I believe.
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Prodigal> LUE and NAAC have no made their decision, and the GGA awaits that. All member alliances of the CoaLUEtion must agree to this together.
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> I speak for the CGS
[7/20/2006 12:10 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> CDS*
[7/20/2006 12:14 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> ODN, though I cannot be 100% certain at this time, would likely accept this.
[7/20/2006 12:15 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am conferring with a few people but I do not forsee any problems
[7/20/2006 12:16 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Thank you Ivan.
[7/20/2006 12:16 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> thats good to hear
[7/20/2006 12:16 AM] <Chris_Kaos> NAAC and LUE will of course have to agree.
[7/20/2006 12:16 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> I am presenting this to the Senate now, though none are online at the moment.
[7/20/2006 12:16 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed
[7/20/2006 12:16 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> I shall talk this over to our Council
[7/20/2006 12:17 AM] <Prodigal> The GGA, NAAC, and LUE will have to sort this out as well.
[7/20/2006 12:20 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Ivan, these terms are very promising. I suggest we reconveine tomorrow, well before update, so that we may continue. Our allies in the CoaLUEtion need time to decide.
[7/20/2006 12:21 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Ivan what time zone do you live in?
[7/20/2006 12:22 AM] <Prodigal> I think he's EST as well
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[7/20/2006 12:23 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> Ivan?
[7/20/2006 12:23 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> sorry
[7/20/2006 12:23 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> EST
[7/20/2006 12:23 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> ahh ic thank you
[7/20/2006 12:24 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> It is past my bedtime. Since I am to be awake at 5 I will most likely stay up
[7/20/2006 12:24 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> me too ( the bedtime part )
[7/20/2006 12:24 AM] <Prodigal> Long day, I know, crazy staying up this late for a computer war. :)
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> well i'm gonna take my leave and I hope we can continue this talk tomoraw
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I will be on. Are we to issue any terms to our troops regarding battles today or should we just consider today the costs of war?
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> costs of war.
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Prodigal> I'd say a ceasefire order would be too difficult to get out today, no?
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Indeed.
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Probably.
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Yoda> well its early yet today
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> All will be signing the nuclear agreement correct?
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> i'd go with cost of war
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Yes.
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Yoda> you might could get one out for tomorrow
[7/20/2006 12:25 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Okay
[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Chris_Kaos> We can work it out.
[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Prodigal> Aye
[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> yeah
[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Ivan, we will of course have to allow for some time for nations to be confused and attack still.
[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Indeed, good work everyone.
[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Chris_Kaos> This is a large war.
[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Filipinoboi122|CDS> well good night everyone i'm outtie
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[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Prodigal> Good night all, and have a good day. Cheers
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[7/20/2006 12:26 AM] <Chris_Kaos> If a GATO nation attacks after peace has been declared...well, we'll have to work around that.
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[7/20/2006 12:27 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> So will we
[7/20/2006 12:27 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> Same on our end, thank you for your time Ivan.
[7/20/2006 12:29 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Same to you.
[7/20/2006 12:29 AM] <Chris_Kaos> It has been nice negotiating with you. Unlike our last few talks.
[7/20/2006 12:30 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I am better without an audience
[7/20/2006 12:31 AM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> The large group wasn't helping at all.
[7/20/2006 12:31 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Yes, and I am a better statesman than I was. Immaturity of inexperience, I suppose.
[7/20/2006 12:32 AM] <Yoda> i'm gone then. night
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[7/20/2006 12:41 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Ivan, we all need time to further discuss this amongst ourselves.
[7/20/2006 12:41 AM] <Chris_Kaos> LUE especially.
[7/20/2006 12:46 AM] <Sir_Paul> G'night all
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[7/20/2006 12:50 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> What does LUE have to discuss?
[7/20/2006 12:50 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If the rest of the alliance leave they can continue fighting if they wish
[7/20/2006 12:50 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I do not know. I was simply told to convery the message.
[7/20/2006 12:50 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Okay
[7/20/2006 12:51 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Well, that is fine because I need to get my people on board.
[7/20/2006 12:51 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I assume it won't be a problem?
[7/20/2006 12:52 AM] <Chris_Kaos> GATO doesn't have to discuss the declaration of war/peace with our members. They elect us to do the work for them, afterall.
[7/20/2006 12:59 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> Oh, no, it will be no problem
[7/20/2006 12:59 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I just prefer not to spring things on them
[7/20/2006 12:59 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I figured as much. Although, I suspect there is a certain way of going about dictating without revolt.
[7/20/2006 1:00 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I don't dictate
[7/20/2006 1:00 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I lead
[7/20/2006 1:00 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> There is a difference
[7/20/2006 1:00 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> If I dictated I would have been out long ago
[7/20/2006 1:00 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Well, yes. But you are the unquestioned leader.
[7/20/2006 1:01 AM] <Chris_Kaos> I of course, don't mean that to say you aren't questioned.
[7/20/2006 1:01 AM] <Ivan_Moldavi> lol
[7/20/2006 1:01 AM] <Chris_Kaos> But simply that no one questions your leadership.
[7/20/2006 1:17 AM] <Chris_Kaos> Anyhow. I need sleep. I am off.
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[7/20/2006 10:26 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I will be in and out because of the LUE game
[7/20/2006 10:26 PM] <Chris_Kaos> Well, this will be short, unfortunately.
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[7/20/2006 10:27 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> I see
[7/20/2006 10:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> The coaLUEtion as a whole has decided that the terms as negotiated last night are not sufficient enough.
[7/20/2006 10:27 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> That is ignorant
[7/20/2006 10:27 PM] <Hrmmm[ODN]> They do not wish to negotiate again tonight.
[7/20/2006 10:27 PM] <Ivan_Moldavi> fine
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