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Achievements
I couldn't find any discussion on Achievements in the Village Pump archives so I thought I would bring it up. I know it says that the achievements aren't retroactive (sadly) but it may have some potentially good (or bad) bonuses along with it. Here's a link to a user's page on the SWTOR wiki as an example.
Potential Pro's
- May draw contributors to log in more instead of anonymously editting.
- The number of active contributors may increase. Right now I'd wager there's a handful.
Potential Con's
- It most likely will mess up user pages. (However, I'm not sure what it will be like if you're using the CSS skin)
- The time that it take to implement it. (Once again, not sure how long/little it would take)
If anyone else wants to list any others, go right ahead. I just thought I would mention the idea and see what other folks thought. Rogal Dorn talk 03:57, Monday, 9 January 2012 (EST)
- I SUPPORT THIS! I LIKE SHINY THINGS Sir Keshav IV (talk • contribs) 09:07, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Against. Reasoning follows. 1) Wikia. 2) Incentive to make worthless edits and the like. 3) Can reward vandals. Normally I'd like the shinies but I really don't think they're appropriate for a wiki. Oh, as for display on user pages - they'd go in the sidebar along with any other modules that are present. I'd likely hide it with the custom CSS, because although some things such as that can be worth looking at, they mess up layout and it's simple enough to log out to see them (although it has never remembered my username/password so I always have to retype them >_>). As for installing it, I believe it is as easy as clicking a button to turn it on, unless we want to customize them. Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 04:15, Monday, 9 January 2012 (ET)
- I think we/someone would have to take the time to create a bunch of Achievements, right? Or are they all pre-made? Like you made 10 edits, here's a cookie!, you wrote on a talk page, here's a cookie! In that case it would be easy to implement, however I agree it could lead to users making more worthless edits on the wiki(they have to log in though :P). As far as rewarding vandals goes it said in the FAQ that blocking a user removes all of their achievements, or did you mean something else Bobo as far as rewarding vandals goes?
- Maybe instead of Wikia achievements we could create some sort of CN wiki award for reporting vandalism, helping others, etc etc (although someone would then have to monitor or at least be aware of their existence and give them out from time to time for it to work) Hrmm... Rogal Dorn talk 04:27, Monday, 9 January 2012 (EST)
- Ah, I hadn't read the FAQ. Most vandals only appear once and are not seen again, so after their one-day block expires, they'll still have the achievement. I suppose that isn't really a major issue though. Yeah there's a default set of achievements with names and images (I think you can see a list on any wiki that has them enabled), and we can customize them if we want. And, apparently, add new ones for a specific category. And it also says you can disable their display and block notifications for yourself, so that's good. I suppose they aren't too evil; I wouldn't be opposed to enabling them if there is significant support here. Speaking of being aware of existence, Justin started a Barnstars project, so you might want to take a look at that. I hope your monitor is okay :P Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation 04:37, Monday, 9 January 2012 (ET)
- Haha, I appreciate your concern for my monitor xD I managed to wipe the milk off in time haha. Hrmm, that's got me thinking. If the vandal doesn't log in do they still get that achievement I wonder. Yeah, I wasn't sure whether or not they would be a good thing for the CN wiki until a conversation was hatched and ideas floated around. I think it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, especially since you can disable their display and block notifications and it wouldn't take long to actually implement. I'm unsure however in the aspect that us active contributors who have already put so much time and effort into the wiki aren't retroactively rewarded. But, if it does spark more/new active contributors I think it would be beneficial to our tiny community. I support the achievements in the hope that it increases the number of new/active contributors in the long haul. I also think that if this does garner enough support that it actually goes into effect that an announcement be made on the CN forums, maybe the two combined (achievements + announcement of achievements) would help indeed. thoughts? :3 Rogal Dorn talk 04:58, Monday, 9 January 2012 (EST)
- I think they're really just more trouble than they're worth. I doubt achievements are going to do much for the state of the wiki, and anything extra to clutter the layout will be problematic, especially for the majority of people who don't know how to change that. ~ Locke talk contribs nation 05:13, Monday, 9 January 2012 (ET)
I'm dropping this comment in here, myself and MVP had a discussion about barnstars nearly two years ago though in the end we didn't do anything with it. Looks like a bit over a year later JustinVuong set a page up for it though I didn't realise that at the time and it looks like hardly anything has happened with it. Whether achievements are worth it or not I don't know. -- Imperial Empire (talk • contribs) 11:59, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
Really no preference here. If you guys add it, I'll keep on editing, and will continue to do so even if it is removed. It seems kinda pointless, but I wouldn't mind it. --Mompson (talk • contribs) 13:27, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
I would be against them. in short, because they don't contribute anything. That, and I have a natural aversion to achievements appearing in every damned aspect of online activity.
RenegadeOfficer (talk • contribs) 13:53, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
Against
Against - Normally I'm all for that shiny award, pin, button, or ribbon. However, in this particular application I'm profusely against it. Reiterating above sentiments, I don't see any particular need for it. Additionally, I honestly think it would cause a lot more harm than good. For example, if I was looking for the 1000 edits award (pretending that was an option for just a moment), what would stop me from just editing my alliance's page, intentionally omitting certain information, going back, making a spelling error, fixing it but making another error, etc. Before you know it, that one change has snowballed into 15 changes at least. One or two fixes make sense. As Bobogoobo knows, I've made my share of mistakes on various wikia pages (Tips hat in gratitude for fixing them).