Cyber Nations Wiki:Village Pump/Ownership

The question of ownership
In light of recent events within this Wiki the time has come for the community, as a whole, to resolve the question of ownership rights when it comes to creative works placed within this Wiki. What I mean by "creative works" are the creations of both individuals (rulers of nations) and groups (alliances) that document such things as 1) Nations within CyberNations 2) Alliances of those Nations and 3) Pacts and Agreements between those alliances.

It is my viewpoint that a "ruler" of a nation has ownership rights over the information created in this Wiki to document their nation. It is also my viewpoint that Alliances have ownership rights over the information created in this Wiki to document their alliance, and that information placed in this Wiki to document pacts and other intra-alliance agreements are the ownership of those participating alliances. I also hold that, as with other ownership rights in Real Life (RL), these rights can be: retained, given away, sold, and delegated in terms as the owner of the work deems fit.

Obviously no one has the right to create works within this Wiki that violate Terms of Service or the laws of the State and Country in which the servers of this Wiki reside.

Others wish to force a philosophy of "anyone can edit anything" for any work within this Wiki upon the whole community of this Wiki. There have been recent examples of the use of this philosophy to substantially alter the content of a work created by an alliance, when the person doing the alteration was not a member of that alliance and had not previously obtained permission to make such drastic alterations. It is even more disturbing that this action was done by someone given Admin Powers.

I propose that for the duration of one month this question be put to the whole CyberNations Wiki community for resolution. The details of the resolution of this question are that each registered member of this Wiki be sent a message by placing on their Talk Page a reference to this topic. That votes of "yes" or "no" be entered here to the question of Should anyone be able to edit anything within this Wiki, including making substantial changes to the content of an entry that documents a Nation or an Alliance when the person making that alteration has not obtained permission to make such substantial changes? Key Stroke 15:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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 * This is not something for debate. All wikis, including this one, follow the rule that anyone can edit. Read what it says below the edit box: "Please note that all contributions to Cyber Nations Wiki may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors, and are released under the GNU Free Doc License. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here. You do not own any contributions or articles, and anyone may edit any unprotected page." That is how it is. Aido2002((talk)) 19:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)'''


 * Angela said that this is something to be resolved by the whole CyberNations Wiki community on her talk page, and that is what I am initiating. So it is something up for debate.  We need to put an end to the tyrany of the recently appointed admins, in this regard. Do not remove this vote, it will be reported to Angela if you do. Key Stroke 19:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't, nor was i intending to, remove this vote. However, we don't have a tyranny. It simply comes down to the fact that if people can edit their article, and nobody else can, than you get bias, confusion, and bad articles. Plus, it brings up the question of who can edit articles on wars, or any other thing that affects anyone? This is a collaborative effort. Aido2002((talk)) 20:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The vote has started. The time for debate is over. I'm going to move my vote to the end one last time. Please do not interupt the vote again.  Key Stroke 20:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not interrupting the vote. We have not had a real discussion. Aido2002((talk)) 20:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You have been capricious and arbitrary and dictatorial in your pronouncements of how things will be done here, all from your seat of "admin power". Just look at your first response to this vote: "This is not something for debate".  Now that you see that you are not absolute in your position you ask for even more debate.  We have had plenty of discussion prior to this vote over the RIA debacle.  Let the vote proceed without further interruption. Key Stroke 20:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, I said that its not for debate, but if you want to, sure, waste your time. I am not in absolute power, but this is not the sort of thing that goes up for discussion. But, once again, you can, but it is nothing more than a suggestion. Aido2002((talk)) 20:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Idea of Ownership. First, let me direct you to my mission statment. I, as an official of this wiki, will uphold the mission set forth here. This wiki is a collection of information. I will work to improve the quality of the information here and improve the quality of the wiki in general. This wiki will remain a collection of information, and anything uninformative shall be removed. In my opinion everyone has the right to edit anyone else's page in instances of grammar, spelling, updating format, etc. The basic housekeeping. I also think that a Nation should be able to dictate what is on its nation page for the most part, as well as pages about individuals etc. I believe that conflict pages, or pages that pertain to more than one nation (ex Maroon War, October Massacre) do not belong to anyone. Alliance pages should also have free run of their page. Basically, except for grammar and teh like, An article should be edited only by those who have some connection to it, or to update public knowledge. Public Knowledge is anything posted on the CN boards. Now, I also believe in my mission statement.

This wiki will remain a collection of information, and anything uninformative shall be removed. Uninformative is subjective. What went on at the RIA site, at the top was wrong. If something would be banned on the CN forums, then it should not take place here. Keystroke says that RIA was offensive by my standards, but it is offensive by Cyber Nations standards Board Rules located here. User:Key Stroke says that the wiki is an extension of the game, and therefore should follow game rules. If this is true, then User:Key Stroke would know that the buttsecks train and the symbol pictures on the RIA page was not appropriate and shouldn't be arguing with the decision made to move it. I will not interfere with this poll, or do anything different except uphold my mission statement. J Andres 20:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Vote below ''A "Yes" means that owners retain little to no rights whereas "No" means that owners retain exclusive rights.


 * No Ownership rights should not be violated. Key Stroke 15:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes For the reasons listed above. Although I believe that in most cases alliances and nations should be able to do what they wish text wise with a site. However everyone may make minor edits to fix grammar or the formating of the site to maintain a set style. Also, things that are not allowed to be posted on the CN boards shouldn't be allowed here. Board Rules located here. J Andres 20:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes It is against the "golden wiki rule." Not only that, but while I agree that simply pointless things should not be here, who gets to decide what is offensive (besides, like I said, things that are simply and clearly pointless). Aido2002((talk)) 21:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)