User talk:RogalDorn

CN:CITE
" I'm going to copy this message to Locke, MvP and Lolpie's respective talk pages"

/me awaits getting masses of emails :P         Michael von Preußen  |  talk

Looks good to me. ~  Locke    talk    contribs    nation    23:28, Friday, 10 February 2012 (ET)
 * One thing I'd suggest adding is using citation link as a method. It's how I added references to Jamahiriya (2nd). The template could probably be improved, since I'm 90% sure I made it solely for that page I made it very sloppily for Victory (statue), but it's a good way to add quick references without having to bother with a references section at the page bottom.         Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Well, you have to keep in mind, any average contributor who manages to find his way to CN:CITE and cares to follow it is going to have to learn how to use and  instead of putting the raw URL in the ref tags.  Makes things look nicer. And of course Wikipedia has all kinds of templates for that stuff, so we could make some too if it would be helpful.

Also, I couldn't help messing with your sub-columns code. I found out that for each line that the longest column has beyond the column you're trying to match to it, you can add bottom padding equal to 1.25 times the line height times that number of lines, and that will make the bottom borders even. (The line-height on pages is 20px, at least in my custom CSS.) So, for example, the Blocs table would get 75px of bottom padding and the MDPs one would get 100px. I also found that the Blocs table could alternatively use 5.75em bottom padding, though I'm not sure how that could be derived. But then this method only works in preview, and when I log out the tables don't even have borders. So I'd need to do a little more testing and don't have the time right now. It might still work if you can find out the line height used in preview, but I'm not sure. I saved the page to see what it looked like, feel free to revert or mess with it. But the only way I could see the method that worked in preview being implemented is if you made the whole thing a template (I'd probably do that anyway for neatness and ease of use) and added a parameter that would have to be filled in (optionally) for the number of alliances in the longest column in each row, and determined the bottom padding for the other columns from that, but that seems like something I would totally do for my own thing and other people wouldn't bother with, so I dunno :P.

Oh, and I really haven't had time for the job tags template. Hopefully I can do that soon.

Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;14:53, Saturday, 11 February 2012  &#32;

User rename
If Melisande wants her username changed, make sure she asks Wikia to change it also (I think it's just done through Special:Contact). It leaves a mess but then at least it shows the desired name on everything and such. Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;16:13, Tuesday, 14 February 2012  &#32;
 * Yeah, that would probably be best. If you do that make sure you delete the new pages so the old ones can be moved back. Though I'm not sure if that would be necessary, since they'd be moved there anyway. Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;16:58, Wednesday, 15 February 2012   &#32;

Re: Preview redlinks
Hmm, I hadn't noticed that. The problem is that I don't know how to see the code for preview, so I don't know what's causing the issue. You might try removing  from the link styles section, but then all normal links will probably be the new color. Everything was so much nicer before Oasis. Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;15:06, Monday, 20 February 2012  &#32;
 * Well then I'm not sure. Actually, I just noticed that links in preview aren't the new (old) blue anyway, so I don't think CSS is applied to preview at all. You're sure you saw redlinks in preview just before updating the CSS? I have to go to class now, I guess I can look at it more this afternoon. And I removed the header red-ing because it also colored too many headers that shouldn't be colored and I didn't feel like keeping up with that. It's usually pretty easy to tell them apart from other headers anyway. Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;10:45, Tuesday, 21 February 2012   &#32;

Ohai
Figured I should get to you before you use my archive system as a model :P. It's best to use Archive box unless you want to customize it a lot like I did. This is a good point to do it though, I think all of mine are smaller than this page's current size. Not sure what the standard size for archiving is, I've gone by number of sections and byte size. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">16:54, Tuesday, 28 February 2012  &#32;

Eras TOC
Dunno if it's just me but I hate all that white space :P. I used TOC right because the TOC was getting long and doing so removes the white space while also making the text in the shorter sections take up more lines, so fewer clears are necessary. I think letting it use some of the space in the article is part of the point of using it and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">15:17, Thursday, 1 March 2012  &#32;
 * Oh and another thing. Forgot to look at today's edits to your page. I'm not sure what you meant to do in the Academy section, but it looks like something's not quite right. Also, for the war stats table it might look better if you remove the width property and give it margin:auto, but it's up to you. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">15:32, Thursday, 1 March 2012   &#32;
 * :D and yeah I meant it to do that, I always check after saving to make sure it looks right, since preview is hardly accurate anymore. Well, it still might look bad to someone who hasn't removed the sidebar, but I don't usually bother with making compatibility for that. Well, now that you made that change it looks a little squished to me, you might want to give it a width after all :P it's currently about 215px, so you could test in preview to see what looks good. If you want to change it at all, that is. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">18:32, Friday, 2 March 2012   &#32;
 * Eep, and thanks for fixing that typo on my alliance history page. I did notice that and I meant to fix it but I guess I got distracted >_> and I have to edit in IE currently so I don't get the spellcheck either. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">18:43, Friday, 2 March 2012   &#32;
 * Nah, I hadn't looked at the archivebox yet since you didn't have the new code on here yet. I was also trying to figure out where the extra spaces from the sidebars you have came from, might look at it later. But nah I was talking about the war stats again :P. I dunno about fonts, default works well enough for me :P. As for wrapping, well you don't have a nowrap on the first half, and all the non-breaking spaces will keep it all stuck together. Try using just regular spaces, or &#32s if necessary. My sig might be a good example to look at, it's just two nowrapped spans inside a bigger span that does wrap, and they're just separated by spaces. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">15:31, Saturday, 3 March 2012   &#32;

Code
Yeah, and I just noticed, the centering isn't necessary at all since those are headers, which are automatically centered and bold :P. Also it isn't really accurate to call the Oasis modification CSS Monaco, it's just adjustments to improve the skin for fans of Monaco. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">15:29, Tuesday, 6 March 2012  &#32;

Re: Imagemaps
Looks to me like they no longer support external links. Working on finding a solution through Special:Outbound, but it looks like we may be shit out of luck :/ <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Looks like they've been reenabled. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk

Map software/Opera inquiry
Well, I'm afraid I likely won't be able to help you with either inquiry.

Regarding map software, I really don't know of any, and wish I did. Any edits to maps I've done have pretty much been done by hand; I use to alter SVG maps, and PNG maps I like to pretend don't exist. :p

As for Opera, that is indeed an issue. As well, copy/paste in Google Docs doesn't work (at all in document-style docs, or by right-click > copy in spreadsheets). The short explanation for this is that Google hates Opera (even going so far as to disable working functions like reverse image search and customizable background image in the browser). Now, for me, this isn't an issue, as I use Google Docs about once a millennium, and logging into another browser to use them isn't much of a hassle, but if you do routinely use them, I can see how it'd be a right pain in the neck. Google. <.< <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk

Re: Hai
It's going okay, though my laptop was taken away again, which is annoying. I've been surviving though. You? <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">14:53, Friday, 13 April 2012  &#32;

Fonts
Saw you adding some fonts to your sandbox, and since they seem to be for signature ideas, I thought I'd leave you a couple notes. First, keep in mind that if users don't have a particular font on their system, they'll just get the site default. I have close to 8,000 fonts on my machine, and I still don't have a lot you're trying out. Second, do remember to put font names containing spaces in quotes&mdash;many browsers (especially older ones) either won't render fonts at all, or will render them incorrectly, the latter of which can even occur in more modern browsers if a user has variously-named fonts on their computer. So, for example, use  instead of  &mdash;the latter might cause problems if someone has a font on their computer called simply 'Times'. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * I'd also recommend not using the deprecated font tag, use span instead :P. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">14:37, Monday, 16 April 2012   &#32;
 * How did I not notice that? :( <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk

Re: Flag thingy
Thank you! :) (Mantineia (talk &bull; contribs) 20:02, April 28, 2012 (UTC))

Nation Infobox
Rogal: Got a question for you, trying to edit my Nation Infobox on my page to be more custom. Is there any way to be able to add in divider lines or be able to move around sections of the template or does it require custom coding. Trying to get a red line added between Alliance and Eras and move Nation Team under that Red line so it is in the same section as Native Resources. Any help would be appreciated RD. Hope TIO is treating you well. --Zeta Defender (talk &bull; contribs) 00:25, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Eras
Well I only put support for that one era into the template, since it pretty much covers everything. LoD said it would be fine, though that was for the department pages, not sure if the same for wars and stuff. But the NPO era kind of applies to anything within that time span, not necessarily things that go the whole time or are still going. Hope that answers it, librarians want to close now so I have to go :P. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">21:48, Tuesday, 1 May 2012  &#32;
 * Yeah I understand, and that does make sense, but the way I did it was the easiest way to make it simple to use. Maybe it would be better to have a way to use a specific one. And I'd have to change the code anyway if any other alliance/group decides to use Eras. So I guess we'll see what happens and how lazy I feel :P. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">16:05, Wednesday, 2 May 2012   &#32;

Wikia's being more evil than usual
Hey Rogal,

Form message below :v

I just thought I'd share something I noticed today across Wikia sites. It seems Wikia's set a cookie (named <tt>Geo</tt>) tracking location of its users. I'm not sure how they're deriving the information, which is a lot more accurate for myself than the information provided by a simple WHOIS request on my IP address, but it doesn't seem dependent on standard geolocation, which I have disabled.

Unfortunately, there's a separate cookie set on each wiki you visit, and deleting them has no effect, as they're just reset. However, editing them does seem to work, at least short-term. I have no idea what they're used for, but I'm hoping my edits to a few wikis I use send a message to someone:



Anyway, just thought I'd pass the information along to the admins here in case anyone's interested or concerned. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk

Re: line breaks
Wait how close to the actual page width with the sidebar is the preview box? It's so narrow >_> But yeah I'm working on making them all have line breaks so that they don't take up the whole page width. I think it looks better that way, especially without the sidebar. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">19:30, Tuesday, 22 May 2012  &#32;
 * The preview box is exactly the width of the article without the CSS changes: 660px. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Oh. Well then. That's ridiculously small. Anyway, Rogal, as I was going to say in IRC but you're not back yet: I think it looks better if they're all approximately the same width, because many don't have enough alliances even to fill the width of the preview. So that's what I'm working on. Maybe I'm just used to how they looked with fewer alliances or something, but it seems better to me when they're less wide (but not too narrow, because then they get long :P). Also it looks like you might be using an outdated version of my custom CSS, headers aren't supposed to be red anymore. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">19:59, Tuesday, 22 May 2012   &#32;

Aid Slots
Hey Rogal,

I saw you add the aid slots parameter to Regnum Invictorum. The reason I'd not done so before is because I worry about its implementation. The up/down/same parameter can only really apply to the percentage, yet the percentage does not, in fact, appear in the source code. To implement it, then, one has to be sure to make a mental note of the percentage before they go to edit the page, or else re-open the unedited page in a new tab partway through editing, in order to make sure the new percentage, which again isn't even entered into the page, is higher or lower than the old one. It just seems a bit roundabout and I'm not entirely sure it's vital enough to the page to bother with the extra steps.

Can you think of any more direct ways one might incorporate it into the page? What if only the percentage was included instead of the raw slot numbers? It might be better to call it 'Aid Efficiency' in such a case, but whatever works. Just thought I'd start a conversation about it! <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * Just occurred to me that using the up/down/same indicator would probably break its ability to determine the percentage anyway, so I'm going to go with the percentage instead anyway for Invicta's page. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk

Wut
It looks to me like Template:WUT [ was balanced] and then you unbalanced it :S I like the fixing Image-->File thing though :D. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">09:55, Friday, 25 May 2012  &#32;
 * Oh :< Well yeah I think it would look better to let it determine the width itself. Have to accomodate all display modes after all :P. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">10:04, Friday, 25 May 2012   &#32;

Re:Poke
I'm still around except I'm just wrapping up with school and RL. I am still active at STOP and I intend using the wiki more this coming summer. Thanks for wondering though! ^_^ &#32; JustinVuong | Talk | Nation  &#32; 01:07, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I decided that I am no longer interested in CN and found that keeping my nation alive was pointless. However, I plan on continuing to roleplay and possible extend STOP to the CNverse so in order to gain access to the forums, I'll re-roll except I plan on doing minimal activity on that nation (just collecting taxes to keep it active). I'm sorry if this disappoints any of you guys back in Pacifica (miss you guys :\ ) but I no longer have much interest to be dedicated that much now. Well, you'll see me more around spamming up the recent changes page this summer so yeah. Got two more weeks of school! :P &#32; JustinVuong | Talk | Nation  &#32; 14:50, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Job tags template
Yeah, true. Actually it should be easier than ever to add an alliance. The only subpage I will be using for it is Job tags/switch, so all you have to do to add an alliance is add the appropriate values in there. Any changes to format will be more annoying since all the code will just be copy-pasted a bunch of times to get all the tables, but hopefully there won't need to be too many changes. The only thing I can think of is if a new alliance to be added has their tags wider than 120px, but that should be pretty easy to update, a quick 'replace all' would take care of it. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">17:08, Tuesday, 29 May 2012  &#32;
 * In the examples you added, none of the Invicta or IRON department links work :/ Do they all still need creating or is something not working? Remember if an article doesn't fit the standard naming format you gave me ("<Invicta/IRON> Department of _____") then there will need to be a redirect to it from that format so the template will link to it. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">21:32, Wednesday, 30 May 2012   &#32;

Re: Rest
Your damn message still keeps telling me I have a new message :| ~ <span style="white-space:nowrap; border: 1px solid #006600; -webkit-border-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border-radius: 10px;"><span style="background-color:white; color: #006600; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 10px; -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 10px; border-top-left-radius: 10px; border-bottom-left-radius: 10px;"> Nascar8FanGA  <span style="background-color:#006600; color:white; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 10px; -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 10px; border-top-left-radius: 10px; border-bottom-left-radius: 10px;">  talk  <span style="background-color:#006600; color:white; -webkit-border-top-right-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px; border-top-right-radius: 5px; border-bottom-right-radius: 5px;">  nation    18:50, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 (ET)
 * :o! what message is that? D: click it! click it!

Re: Delete Request
Hey RogalDorn, thank you for handling that delete request for me. I'm sure you can tell, but I hardly make it onto the wiki or CN even any more.

--  Dynasty   Talk  •  Grand Besaid   22:05, Thursday, 7 June 2012 (EST)


 * Not a problem Dynasty, I know we all take breaks every now and again. Are you going to be quitting CN/the wiki or is it just temporary? :3


 * It's hard to say, but perhaps I should make it more obvious that I am not extremely active at the moment. --  Dynasty   Talk  •  Grand Besaid   18:51, Sunday, 8 July 2012 (EST)

Treaty
Fixed "A Treaty You Can't Refuse." Only comment I have is how come you can't easily change the categories from the edit page screen. Also where are my Admins :P --Zeta Defender (talk &bull; contribs) 04:04, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bobo took care of it. xD

Sig
You should subst your sig. Then it's less vulnerable to vandalism for one thing, and it won't change if you change your sig page. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">00:24, Friday, 15 June 2012  &#32;
 * I kinda liked that it would change if i change the sig page though :3. I tended to change my sigs font etc quite a bit a few months ago >.<. The main reason was that it cuts down on sig coding on talk pages lol :)

Dave War Commanders
Hey, not sure who relayed what, but for the Dave War page GOONS Commander should be SirWilliam instead of Sardonic, or at least in addition to (Sardonic posted the DoW but I committed GOONS forces, worked out the logistics, and have been commanding GOONS's war effort). Not a big deal but just for the sake of accuracy.
 * Gotcha I'll fix that, thanks Sir William.

Re: Wiki award
Thanks, Rogal! =D Digging the new signature color, too :3 <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * No problem señor, you totally deserve it! yeah I like the blue more than the red too :)

Couple things

 * 1) Thanks for working on NPO pages categorizations, that's one thing on my quite lengthy to-do list :P. However, while you were doing it some of the pages got added to Category:Templates, which they shouldn't because Category:New Pacific Order Template is already in that category. Also, were you planning to create the Mentor Corps category? Thanks for fixing those spellings too, they were annoying me :P.
 * 2) Assuming you saw the new staff blog. I commented asking if there's an easy way to go through and fix all of them, but I doubt there is. I'll add it to Important Information on the main page, but it'll be a fun time trying to fix everything >_> Not that forcing compliance is a bad thing, we just have a ton of people using bad code.
 * 3) I think that's it for now :P. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">21:25, Thursday, 5 July 2012   &#32;


 * Not a problem Bobo, I want to help with the categories as well, I thought I got rid of all the Category:Templates and replaced them with the NPO templates but I did so many I probably made a couple mistakes on that. Yeah I was going to do Mentor Corps to replace Mentor Corp I just got distracted with something else (updated the Template:Infobox bloc with Bloc Type, Bloc Formation date, Bloc status, Bloc termination all from the Template:Treaty infobox simple. I updated about 20 bloc pages with it, i avoided the color/other blocs though for the most part. I'll go back through the NPO categories tonight because I'll have nothing else to do lol. (my sleep schedule is absolutely garbage right now so im up all night/morning and sleep in the evening >.<)
 * I did see the staff blog but that was around when I was going to bed so I'll reread it. Is there any way I can add some awb rules and just run the crap out of it replacing stuff, especially through Category:Templates and the larger categories.
 * I did notice an interesting old template, Template:Vandal warning. It's nice how it says what warning level the person is getting in the message. think we should add a parameter like that for Template:Warn? I'm also very glad I found Template:Movenotice too :). Anywho, talk to you later Bobo.


 * Maybe some of them were left over from before and you didn't get to them yet, then. Sounds good. My sleeping is pretty weird too, it kinda naturally settled at going to sleep around 7am and waking up ~10 hours later :P. It would be worse but I need to be up for dinner and stuff so I keep it around there. Except like now when I have a doctor's appointment in the morning, I just won't sleep :P. Well there's a ton to go through, center and font tags plus the other stuff (especially in tables) are used all over the place. And for a lot of it the syntax is conditional. It might be easier just to wait until we see something broken. It's just the formatting anyway, all the information should still be there. Nah, Warn is meant only as a first general warning, anything after that or more specific needs a custom message, and we don't usually get much of that these days anyway. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">03:17, Friday, 6 July 2012   &#32;

hey buddy
Two pointer:
 * 1) GGA entry is missing/vandalised
 * 2) Job tags - I only noticed 1. after commenting on the talk page GGA, GATO, Legion and a few others might be good job tag entries

RenegadeOfficer (talk &bull; contribs) 17:35, July 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey mal! the GGA page i think got messed up. it said that i moved the page when i didnt because i was at work all day so im not sure whats going on there but i fixed the GGA related issues. As far as the job tags, i've offered other alliances to put their job tags up on the wiki as well but most dont care to have them put up. I think its cool and a way to show an alliance's internal affairs kinda and what they can offer or what people can do for that alliance. it's kinda the same deal with alliance awards, some alliances want them up on the wiki and some dont care. if you know anyone that wants help putting stuff up on the wiki and you need a hand feel free to get a hold of me on irc (#cn-wiki on coldfront, same as #FAN) or on here again. take care man!

facepalm
Hey man, can you revert these recent changes done to the Post-Dissolution Sphere article. The guy who edited this has not been approved to join the PDS and he's basically screwing with everything. I don't have rollback abilities and I don't want to manually revert each one. Can you do it for me? That guy hasn't been accepted yet so yeah. If you could leave him a message reminding him to apply on the STOP forums and that until then, he shouldn't mess with the PDS articles? Thanks Rogal! :) &#32; JustinVuong | Talk | Nation  &#32; 04:08, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Justin, how does this look, is it right? rollback didnt actually help since chao101 edited after the anonymous user did. so i went back to bowow's last edit and edited that old version and saved it as is. thats why IMO rollback isn't _that_ useful, well, on a wiki like ours.


 * Yeah seems like what it was supposed to be. Thanks! &#32; JustinVuong | Talk | Nation  &#32; 23:26, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * no problemo justin, if you need it to have Semiprotect along with the permissions on it for edit access for registered users only that's an option too.

BFF
Yes, BFF the bloc is defunct. It is kind of buried in the announcement, but it is there.
 * fixed the BFF bloc page and BFF disambig page. thanks

Anytime!

The olympics!
Glad you liked it! It was a messy and much-delayed side-project, but a fun one nonetheless. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * It's definitely one of the cooler cooperative efforts I've seen on the wiki :) We'll have to do something like that someday before CN goes away and we all disappear as much as I don't want to think about that.
 * Indeed! Sporting events aren't usually my thing, but it was nice to see a good group of people get together for it. Might seem a bit silly doing a Summer Olympics now that they've already finished, but... well, I mentioned how delayed the last ones were, so meh. :P But I definitely agree, we'll need to work something like that out; it's been forever since I've done any actual RP. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Hehe, it wouldn't have to be a sporting event, it could be anything we would want to do together really. You might not have RP'd in a while but look at my only RP page, qwerty nation. Epic failure on my part there, haha. I assume you used a random number generator to see who won what and such?
 * Haha, I see. Yeah, that's essentially what I did. Somewhere (probably on Pika's talk page, but I can't find it) I recall going into more detail about how that was done, but the exact details have slipped my mind since then. But yeah, Random.org was involved. :v <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * I could whip some stuff up real quick I'm sure if we did decide to do something using our RP nations or an RP person (our persona's maybe or something, who knows). Very cool though! I know I've said this before but Damn! I wish I was here back in those days. :p


 * Oh MvP! I was bored the yesterday/today and after traversing around wikipedia for a while at people's userpages and how nice and neat they are I decided it was about time to make myself one because quite frankly my old one was hideous and crappy. I wasn't sure what to do so I thought about using your userpage's foundations so to speak, so it has some similarities but I think I changed a lot of the rest, I like it though :). If you don't mind I'd love your opinion on it MvP. I had to throw a prank in there as well hehehe.
 * Oooh, I like it! Fits better horizontally on Oasis than mine did, too. The scrollbox for the userboxen is an especially nice touch. I keep meaning to port my own page properly to some of the other wikis I edit on, but keep forgetting. I'll probably be scouring your code to find ways to make it fit better sooner or later. :P <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Thanks! :D I've never spent so much time on w3schools.com in my life. I have found myself going there to look stuff up every now and again when I need some help with stuff. I did remove the color/hover templates where I saw them for that exact reason. Although I couldn't really use my imagemap on any other wiki. But meh, I could fill that in with other stuff xD more jokes/pranks perhaps, or move the userboxes over there and add in another box similar to the Methods of Contact one right next to it. Also, I love how we both used the icons haha. All the other ones on Wikipedia are way too cartoonish/outlandish for my tastes, Exquisite is just more... modern and fitting with the theme. I thought about making my userpage fit for Oasis but it's just too damn skinny, BLEH. At least for users with oasis it pretty much only cuts off the imagemap, admin dashboard, my prank and the far right quicklinks drop-down.
 * p.s. I also made good use of A few templates that I actually helped Locke import from WP long time ago :p. Namely Template:Box-shadow and Template:linear-gradient.
 * Oh great, now I'm going to be using linear-gradient and copying source code when I want to make cross-browser gradients. That's just so much simpler than doing it by hand! Which is awesome, but also tics me off because my wikidependance just went up a few dozen points :v <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Also, thanks for the link to those icon sets. I'm sure that'll come in handy yet. :3 <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Hahahahaha! You're double welcome for both MvP! I think tomorrow I'm going to spend some time copy/pasting my cn wiki userpage to my wikipedia userpage. I don't contribute too much on wikipedia due to all the jagbags, although I think there's less of them these days, that or i just ignore them. I just look up stuff I need for the CN wiki or I'll randomly wikify pages I see that need a link here or there or whatever, they call those people for whatever reason. I kinda have been a little bit more active lately there just because I wanted to get involved in maintaining/expanding the Game of Thrones/ASoIaF articles. Also, the best rule of all is, which is a pretty awesome rule imo.
 * Yeah, I've not contributed to Wikipedia actively in a very long while, aside for anonymous edits here and there. Still do like to do SVGs for Commons, though, from time to time :P <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk

Argent
Hey Rogal -- just curious as to why you edited out Argent's attack on my in support of GPF and at their request. Only thing I've ever had undone -- was it a formatting issue? --Walsh the Beloved (talk &bull; contribs) 03:50, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Walsh, sorry I didn't get back to you earlier but I removed them on the Dave War part right? I'm pretty sure I did but I can't remember really. If you're refering to the Dave War it's because they never actually declared war. If you want to do something similar to.... the BTA-MONGOLS War and add "minor involvement" tidbit at the very bottom with a tiny Argent flag on the Dave War page etc I don't see why that would be a problem. Hope this helps!

Not certain who in Argent is disputing that they hit me because I hit GPF. I hit GPF because of the Dave War. They hit me in response. To wit:


 * 11 July 2012 -


 * 21 July 2012 -  I declare on Natureland, but don't attack for 32 hours because he hasn't logged on to read the DoW.


 * 23 July -- Query started by Swatch0 of GPF Gov't, first to find out if Kaskus will defend me. When he finds out they won't, he calls me a "bandwagoner" and says I will be treated as such.

01:23:08: <Swatch0[GPF]> hey

01:23:14: <Swatch0[GPF]> why do you have protected by kaskus in ur bio

01:23:16: <Swatch0[GPF]> are you really?

01:23:25: <Walsh_the_Beloved> LOL

01:23:37: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Lotta questions about that recently

01:23:45: <Swatch0[GPF]> i'll take that as a no

01:23:46: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Yes kind of

01:23:46: <Swatch0[GPF]> lol

01:23:55: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Well, it is a yes

01:24:04: <Swatch0[GPF]> hah

01:24:05: <Swatch0[GPF]> lol

01:24:05: <Swatch0[GPF]> okay

01:24:06: <Swatch0[GPF]> thanks

01:24:07: <Walsh_the_Beloved> But let me put it this way:

01:24:19: <Walsh_the_Beloved> They will NOT be entering this war on my behalf

01:24:27: <Swatch0[GPF]> lolz

01:24:28: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Or likely any other

01:24:31: <Swatch0[GPF]> well good

01:24:34: <Swatch0[GPF]> enjoy the fireworks

01:24:52: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Probably won't be too many of those either

01:25:01: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Are you friends with Razor as well?

01:25:04: <Swatch0[GPF]> yes

01:25:10: <Swatch0[GPF]> I fought alongside Kaskus in their war against GOONs

01:25:23: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Ah -- I've gone and made things awkward for him, haven't I?

01:25:33: <Swatch0[GPF]> Nope

01:25:35: <Swatch0[GPF]> don't really care

01:25:40: <Swatch0[GPF]> you are considered a badnwagonner

01:25:41: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Oh good.

01:25:44: <Swatch0[GPF]> and will be dealt with as such

01:25:44: <Swatch0[GPF]> :P

01:25:54: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Well, I am certainly NOT.

Now, when Argent hit me, I hadn't seen their "no bandwagon" announcement. So when the first guy hit, I PM'd to see if it was a tech raid or due to the GPF war. He said he wasn't sure, he was just told to hit a rogue that was hitting GPF. So I PM'd swatch0 on IRC:

23:45:31: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Hey, got a quick sec?

23:47:48: <Swatch0> yea

23:47:49: <Swatch0> sup?

23:48:39: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Quick question: Did you tell Argent I was a rogue?

23:49:00: <Swatch0> No

23:49:04: <Swatch0> I just told em we had nations in PM

23:49:06: <Swatch0> in your range

23:49:10: <Swatch0> and you were just hitting us for fun

23:49:13: <Swatch0> well someone else did

23:49:18: <Swatch0> and we told em to help us deal with you

23:49:19: <Swatch0> :)

23:49:21: <Swatch0> that's all

There were a few queries with Argent Gov't as well. Names redacted as they apparently aren't consistent with the party line and I don't want to get anyone in trouble:

01:51:13: <Walsh_the_Beloved> Well, here's the thing: I believe argent is attacking me in defense of GPF 01:51:54: <Walsh_the_Beloved> But the fellas attacking me seem to be under the impression they are dealing with a rogue, which I have gone to some lengths to prevent

01:52:09: <XXXXX[Argent]> That does appear to be going on.

Now, oddly enough I cannot find the Peace thread with Argent gov't in my logs. Suffice to say that as soon as I showed them screenshots proving I sent peace to GPF and the 3 Argent guys attacking me, guess what happened? They stopped attacking me. This was only two days into it.

Given the above, I'm really surprised that Argent is disputing this. Argent said they would attack bandwagoners, GPF goverment ID'd me as such and stated overtly that they called Argent in. Argent confirms, and stops attacking the SECOND I have peace with GPF. Seems pretty obvious. Perhaps they are trying to prevent their allies being embarrassed at calling them in to fight a one man micro.

Rogal, I'm not going to change the Dave War page again regarding this for a few reasons:

1. You're the WIKI administrator guy, not me. If you feel that the Argent attack on me was NOT related to my attack on GPF, despite everything you read above, I'm sure you're doing it to keep the WIKI as accurate as possible. Perhaps you were told something directly that counters everything I was told directly at the time the events occured. Would sure like to know why they did attack, then -- weirdest, most coincidental tech raid EVER, I guess ;).

2. I won't put the evidence above on the Dave War page either, as this conflict was certainly NOT the centerpiece of the war and if I added the above it would become the centerpiece of the Dave War page.

3. The Argent guys I fought seemed pretty cool, as were the 2 or 3 Argent gov't guys I dealt with on IRC. Lord Knows they could've ZI'd me and no one but me would have cared. Instead, they respected my DoE and treated me square, almost certainly over GPF's objections. I'm not inclined to embarrass them or their allies in public just to make the WIKI accurate. I know the truth, they know the truth and now you know the truth -- that will have to be enough. --Walsh the Beloved (talk &bull; contribs) 18:21, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Argent do not consider it part of the war as i was saying though Walsh, that's why i marked it as "Disputed Involvement" and not "Minor Involvement".

[21:27] <Lowsten[Argent]> Anyway, as far as anyone in Argent is concerned, we didn't enter the war. [21:27] <Lowsten[Argent]> We fought what was described to us as a rogue. [21:27] <Lowsten[Argent]> We gave peace soon thereafter. [21:30] <Lowsten[Argent]> I got the message, had a brief meeting with staff on hand where we attacked him. I dealt with the guy all three times he "talked" with Argent.


 * You consider their actions as part of the war and they consider it "dealing with a rogue" and not part of the war. I hope you understand my point of view and why i chose "disputed involvement" instead of "minor involvement".

Re: MvP! savior extraordinaire!
No problem! Biggest issue was following the redirect mess. D: But seems to be fixed now! <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Thanks MvP!

Re: poke
I would but this thing called a job has taken over my life :( ~ <span style="white-space:nowrap; border: 1px solid #006600; -webkit-border-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border-radius: 10px;"><span style="background-color:white; color: #006600; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 10px; -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 10px; border-top-left-radius: 10px; border-bottom-left-radius: 10px;"> Nascar8FanGA  <span style="background-color:#006600; color:white; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 10px; -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 10px; border-top-left-radius: 10px; border-bottom-left-radius: 10px;">  talk  <span style="background-color:#006600; color:white; -webkit-border-top-right-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px; border-top-right-radius: 5px; border-bottom-right-radius: 5px;">  nation    11:08, Saturday, 18 August 2012 (ET)


 * WHAT!? I didn't know you got a job you jagbag. xD you and ipb still need to come down for some cuban sandwiches and ybor city.


 * Yeah :/ Ask me about it on IRC. Otherwise I'd be more active on IRC and the Wiki, I've barely even been on IRC. ~ <span style="white-space:nowrap; border: 1px solid #006600; -webkit-border-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border-radius: 10px;"><span style="background-color:white; color: #006600; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 10px; -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 10px; border-top-left-radius: 10px; border-bottom-left-radius: 10px;"> Nascar8FanGA  <span style="background-color:#006600; color:white; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 10px; -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 10px; border-top-left-radius: 10px; border-bottom-left-radius: 10px;">  talk  <span style="background-color:#006600; color:white; -webkit-border-top-right-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px; border-top-right-radius: 5px; border-bottom-right-radius: 5px;">  nation    11:13, Saturday, 18 August 2012 (ET)


 * I'm going on vacation tomorrow and i've been super busy irl the last week and a half because of the stupid RNC coming to tampa. ugh. i'll hop on irc though.

Re: Good alliance pages
Get six talk page edit emails. Thought process: "I bet Rogal left the same messages on all of them!" :P Thanks for the head's up, I'll add some feedback tonight. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * You know me! :p I thought getting a good consensus by leaving a message on talk pages instead of at the village pump would yield more replies.   Rogal   talk    09:22,9/11/2012 (UTC)

Image loading problems
Also, I don't know if you've noticed, but at some point the Wiki started introducing a 'fade-in' effect on some, though not all, images. I'm not sure if this is achieved through an admin-controllable extension or addon or not, but it's been causing a lot of problems for me in a few browsers. The code somehow functions by giving each image two  values - terrible, non-standard HTML - and using JavaScript to fade from the first (which embeds a blank image with ) to the second (the actual image screen). Opera, my default browser, refuses outright to load them at all, displaying tons of articles worth of empty image frames. Chrome, my backup, usually loads them, but sometimes doesn't, or stalls halfway through loading.

Anyway, thought I'd pass the information along. If it's directly done by Wikia, it might be worth letting them know that it's broken as all hell. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * That was wikia's grand idea about 2 weeks ago, it's effing terrible if you ask me. I even said so (along with many users on the blog post)   Rogal   talk    09:21,9/11/2012 (UTC)

Haha, figures they'd implement it terribly. It works perfectly for me in Firefox :> though perhaps unnecessary. I didn't observe to see whether it actually improved load times. Also, what blog post was this in? <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">17:44, Tuesday, 11 September 2012  &#32;


 * It's this blog post. Also, it works just fine for me using a chromium browser :3    Rogal   talk     01:38,9/12/2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, didn't think that post mentioned images. I was annoyed to find out that the css and js files were intentionally unreadable though, since I'm not sure how to view them other than by clicking the link in the Firefox source code window >.> <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">21:45, Tuesday, 11 September 2012   &#32;


 * Oops, I linked the wrong one. It's this one with "lazy loading" as they labeled it >.>   Rogal   talk     02:05,9/12/2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, cool. The bug fixes are nice to know about. I forgot about the comments change too, that's annoying because clicking the heading in the TOC doesn't do anything now, they need to fix that. In general that bit doesn't work as well as the images. But yeah, at least it's not anything too terrible :P. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">00:13, Wednesday, 12 September 2012   &#32;


 * Yeah, nothing too bad. :v <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * Holy smokes D: Is that just with Opera or FF or... because your userpage shows up normal for me (minus the fact that I can scroll down for like a minute through nothing-ness. >.>   Rogal   talk     06:11,9/12/2012 (UTC)


 * That's in Opera. Also, I was meaning to ask you, when you said you used 'a chromium browser', do you mean ? <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Yeah, I thought saying "a chromium browser" would be more understood than saying "I use SRWare Iron as a browser". So uses WebKit or w/e and google released  as an open source Chrome essentially, then some guys made  using chromiums source code or w/e. There's a bunch of  too :D    Rogal   talk     14:46,9/12/2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought saying "a chromium browser" would be more understood than saying "I use SRWare Iron as a browser". So uses WebKit or w/e and google released  as an open source Chrome essentially, then some guys made  using chromiums source code or w/e. There's a bunch of  too :D    Rogal   talk     14:46,9/12/2012 (UTC)


 * Holy crap outdent :o That is beautiful :D Also, get this: on my desktop rather than my laptop. Same release version of Opera, but the Windows version of it, rather than the *nix version. Images load in fine. >_> <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * :D Yeah it is amazing/handy! What the what... that's very odd! I wonder what is up with that. Have you ever put in a support ticket or something letting the devs and stuff know? Or is it on the wikia side of the house you think?   Rogal   talk     16:23,9/12/2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's a combination. Admittedly it is an out-of-date version of Opera, but really, progressive loading with JavaScript shouldn't be that hard that their code messes up on a few-months-old browser. Facebook manages it. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * Facebook Q.Q that's the devil incarnate :3 lol, that and twitter and such xD I tried using Opera once but with the amount I use google docs it wasn't meant to be I guess :(    Rogal   talk     19:43,9/12/2012 (UTC)


 * Ouch, yes, GOogle does not like Opera. Where they don't break stuff purposely (background image, search by image) they just don't fix glaring problems. If I was a more cynical sort I'd say it was revenge for Opera switching to Bing for its default search engine. :v <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk

RE: good alliance pages
Thank for the message Rogal, I've left some comment regarding each page. Dan100 | Talk | Nation 09:04, September 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dan! feel free to tell other folks too if you'd like to get more input :)   Rogal   talk    09:24,9/11/2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the message as well. I'll definitely look into the current nominations (and perhaps suggest other pages) later this week when I have time. Pikachurin   Talk  •  Contribs    19:40, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 (ET)


 * Thank Pika I appreciate the participation :)   Rogal   talk     01:39,9/12/2012 (UTC)

Taking a look now - also have a request for you I'll put in a separate message RenegadeOfficer (talk &bull; contribs) 17:21, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Cheers for the message Rogal :3 I'll be sure to post and tell other folks about it. (Mantineia (talk &bull; contribs) 21:15, September 12, 2012 (UTC))

Attention
what do you mean by "i forgot to sign"?

lol sorry, i will make sure to do that

Testing Testing 123 Chao101 (talk &bull; contribs) 03:27, September 22, 2012 (UTC) chao101

Testing Testing 123 Chao101 (talk &bull; contribs) 14:18, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: War markers
I honestly have no recollection of ever having made those, so I'm going to have to go back through my contributions to see. I'll get back to you. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Looks like there's not; I probably presumed that any war that didn't meet one of those conditions was ongoing. All in all, due to font issues, I'd probably suggest not using those, at least widely. What I could do, if you were interested in using them, would be make versions as images so their appearance would be standardized - this would also enable me to make a question-mark-in-circle for unknown results (such a symbol doesn't exist in Unicode). <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * What about making an SVG format type? Or is that not so easy?&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     19:09,9/24/2012 (UTC)


 * That's what I mean. I can do that now. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * MvP you are the man !&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     22:19,9/24/2012 (UTC)

NPL
G'day mate, apologies we seam to be having an unspoken battle of the wills with the white peace / defeat icon for the NPL war history in regards to the outcome of the NPL/Int war.

please refer here for confirmation that white peace was indeed the outcome between said parties

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=112572

keep up the good work here bud

cheers

King Wally


 * Touche! thanks for the link King Wally :)&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     06:11,10/3/2012 (UTC)

so uh...
could my nation please be in Good Nation Pages?

dude i gotta know
why is it that you are editing pretty much everything in the wiki, such as the NPO, Anarchy Inc., The Imperial Empire, and more that are not even alliances too. reply bck soon ;-) Chao101 (talk &bull; contribs) 09:34, October 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's so the wiki can be up to date as a resource for the Cyber nations community, with things like current treaty statuses (if a new one is announced I updated the alliance pages) or alliance government history (like on Anarchy Inc. or TIO's wiki pages) and a bunch of other things. Most alliances don't have someone who's knowledgeable or willing to spend time updating stuff so I tend to do it for them. There's a lot of minor things that I fix too.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     10:27,10/18/2012 (UTC)

RE:nice new sig dan
Thank you :P

I decided I needed something new and fresh

Dan100 | Talk | Contributions 06:16, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Rogal! Thanks for the fixing the page, I was, I'm still a little lost. How can I add colors to the page, I would like to make it green like the forums. Probably it could be a mix of green and black, whatever looks best. The forums: http://z13.invisionfree.com/TheBorg/index.php

Also how can I add the flags? I'm hosting them at imgur, here's the links: Official Flag: http://i.imgur.com/Byw2v.jpg War Flag: http://i.imgur.com/x3eIb.jpg

Thanks a lot for all your help. Also since I'm new to wiki, where I can learn more. :)

~ Frank


 * Hi Frank! Not a problem, anytime you need any help at all just drop me a line on this talk page and I'll give you a hand. To add colors to a page itself? do you mean like make the background of an entire page a color? If that's what you mean im afraid it goes against CN:STYLE, which is a guideline on structuring pages and such. Don't let that discourage you from contributing though :) I suggest mixing the green in with the alliance infobox (change out "black" for "green" in some of the color parameters (meaning |color1= and such). The way to upload an image is here -> Special:Upload. Basically you save the image to wherever on your computer and you upload it from there. Then you usually whatever the file name is (you choose its filename when uploading) you type the filename.jpg or .png whatever format it's in (thats for adding a flag to the infobox). I strongly suggest looking at existing alliance wiki's to see how things are coded, that's what really helped me learn. Here's a few, New Pacific Order, Sengoku, Anarchy Inc., The Imperial Order.


 * Some good places to learn more about wiki coding.... I would check out these links if I were you and maybe bookmark them and whenever you a quick reminder just pull them up and look.
 * Help:Contents - like a table of contents for help pages
 * Help:Wikitext - basic basic coding, linking to pages, how to bold or italisize things, etc
 * Help:Wikitext/more_examples - more basic coding
 * Wikipedia:Tutorial/Talk_pages - this will help you with understanding how to use talk pages and stuff.


 * And to a lesser extent these two may help, but the other ones are better I think.. Wikipedia:Cheatsheet and Help:Editing.


 * One last thing :p when you leave a message on someone's talk page hit "add new message" then at the end of your message you type this -->  . That just adds your "signature" and a timestamp of when you left it. I really hope this helps! And don't forget, if you have any questions at all I encourage you to ask them. :) &#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     23:30,11/14/2012 (UTC)

I bookmarked all the links, there's a lot to learn, thanks! --> 72.50.79.126 05:11, November 15, 2012 (UTC).

My user page
Hey Rogal,

I finally decided in getting around to building my profile page. Thing is, my knowledge in wiki code is very limited. That's where you come in. I was hoping you could help be build my user profile page. Your help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks, Bowwow828 (talk &bull; contribs) 11:17, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hrmm, what do you mean "build your profile page"? For almost two years I used mine like a notepad, full of reminders and stuff to do all while keeping track of my contributions, here's what it looked like xD. That was until I got a random idea to make a more aesthetically pleasing userpage and conduct all my work / reminders etc on my workspace page where people aren't as likely to see the messes I make. :)&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     21:14,11/20/2012 (UTC)


 * I mean "build" as in "help me turn it from a barren wasteland into something (like you said) with a aesthetically pleasing look to it". Something like your page or Justin's or MvP's page. Bowwow828 (talk &bull; contribs) 04:06, November 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Bowwow, I have no problem helping you with building your user page. As Bobo said user pages are meant to be personal, an expression of yourself, what you're about, things like that. There's definitely a sense of pride when you build something yourself too. I have no problem helping you out by giving you the tools to build a userpage that you want to make.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     19:48,11/21/2012 (UTC)


 * Why just copy what other people have done? It's your user page, make it what you want -- and what you can. Copying other people's work is the last thing you should do. I also wouldn't go as far as calling Justin's page aesthetically pleasing :P. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">23:55, Tuesday, 20 November 2012   &#32;


 * That's the thing, Bob. I have no knowledge in the more advanced wiki code, that's why I came to Rogal, who's more experienced than I.Bowwow828 (talk &bull; contribs) 09:50, November 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's somewhat my point. I believe you should learn it yourself if you want to use it. Since it's your user page, it should be the best expression of yourself, not of what you can get from other people. That's just me being crazy though; I'm sure Rogal will be fully willing to help you. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">05:12, Wednesday, 21 November 2012   &#32;

wow
so anyone can get adminship on this wiki? because i saw a guy named nick go on there and ask for it Chao101 (talk &bull; contribs) 13:12, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyone can apply for adminship but that doesn't necessarily mean they will get it. I had 5000 edits before I even felt confident applying to become an admin, before that I was just helping out all around the wiki all the time to gain experience with coding, learning various ins-and-outs, procedures, reporting/reverting vandalism, etc.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     21:06,11/20/2012 (UTC)


 * so anyway, im sorry RD but im really not interested in Alliance wars right now like you asked the other day. i personally myself am in the alliance of UCoN  which is a neutral green alliance like the GPA. But if UCoN is ever in any alliance war, i will gladly participate in it :D Chao101 (talk &bull; contribs) 12:15, November 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's okay, no problemo :)&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     19:33,11/21/2012 (UTC)

meow
Hey if you ever need help on the Wiki (Like I saw you make a thread for requests, I'll gladly help with the list). I'm not a real explorer on large websites which I probably should be but hey :P.

<3 --Nick47274 (talk &bull; contribs) 22:02, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Feel free to help out wherever you want to. :) I just kinda get wild hairs up my ass when I'm doing stuff so I go from this to that to another pretty randomly, usually it's after I see something that needs to be fixed hehe. &#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     22:07,11/20/2012 (UTC)

Sounds good :)

--Nick47274 (talk &bull; contribs) 22:13, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're new to the wiki scene I would suggest reading my little shpeel to Frank up the page a little bit to help get you started. :) &#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     22:20,11/20/2012 (UTC)

Alright, thanks man! --Nick47274 (talk &bull; contribs) 20:32, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re: duh doi!
Hahaha, remember that brainstorming session we had about categories for individuals who participate in a war and we settled on Category:Individuals in the Dave War. Well how about golden nugget, Category:Dave War veterans. Boom! :D I can't believe we missed that one lol.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     19:32,11/21/2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed, that's much more concise :P <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk


 * And there's no "the" dilemma.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     19:44,11/21/2012 (UTC)


 * Here's what we got so far Category:War veterans. I imagine going through Category:Member of New Pacific Order and Category:Former member of New Pacific Order alone will yield a lot of additions to populate the war veterans categories.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     11:49,11/24/2012 (UTC)

Category redundancy
You seem to understand category intentions in most other cases, so I didn't think this would be an issue. I removed the users category from your user page because Category:User:RogalDorn is in Category:User Factbooks, which is in Category:Users. Therefore, redundant. I elaborated on this point of category organization here. Likewise, Bloc Factbooks is a subcategory of Alliance groups, but neither of those applies to "Alliance group templates" because those are templates, not alliance groups, and so that category should only be in a template category. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">02:02, Friday, 23 November 2012  &#32;


 * You added in that guideline yourself Bobo. "Redundancy" in the scope you mentioned, is allowed on Wikipedia, see . I put them in those categories for a reason as well Bobo, you don't need to question or undo things that I do because they seem at-a-glance wrong in your perspective. If you have a question as to why I did something the way that I did, just ask. I'm the only person currently expanding the wiki for the community so I added it to those categories so I could access it from those categories which I'm currently working on. When I'm done working on them I'll take it out, no need to disrupt my working halfway through. Category:Users is also a comprehensive list of all users on the wiki so having my userpage in both would fit both cases of being within the list of users in Category:Users and my userpage is in my user factbook category.
 * I'm not really the young contributor who makes ridiculously noobish edits anymore, instead of attempting to correct edits I make, we can work together to fix things around the wiki. If you're on a categories kick right now look at the categories on the New Pacific Order article, it's in the following categories Category:Alliances, Category:Red team alliances, Category:People of the New Pacific Order, Category:Imperial Officers of the New Pacific Order , Category:Pacific News Network , Category:Media Corps of the New Pacific Order , Category:New Pacific Order, Category:Sanctioned Alliances, Category:Invasion alliances, Category:World Unity Treaty, Category:One Vision, Category:Continuum, Category:Watling Street Compact, Category:Agora Accords, Category:Good alliance pages. By your definition it would be redundant that NPO is in Category:Alliances AND Category:Red team alliances since Category:Red team alliances is in the category Category:Alliances by team which is also in Category:Alliances. The answer is it belongs in both of those because it IS an alliance (comprehensive list of all alliances) and it is a red team alliance (comprehensive list of all red team alliances), it however is not a "People of the New Pacific Order" or any of the categories that have a strike through them.
 * Another example is the use of categories on Media Corps of the New Pacific Order where it's in Category:Departments of the New Pacific Order, Category:Media Corps of the New Pacific Order, Category:Pacific News Network. The Media Corps category is in the department category but the media corps page is still in both categories. Hopefully you understand.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     01:18,11/24/2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the detailed reply, and I apologize for assuming you didn't have reasoning behind what you did.
 * I know I added that myself, but I based it on what I read on Wikipedia and probably partly on my own reasoning of what makes sense. I wasn't aware you were making those categorizations temporarily (it might have been helpful to put a summary or comment note saying so), but I don't believe in that kind of thing anyway, so that's why I couldn't think of a reason for them to be there. I definitely haven't been as active as you have, so I'll leave you alone about it. As for Category:Users, I'm not really sure. I could go through every non-subpage in the user namespace and add it to that category, but that would be pointless since they're all listed in Special:ListUsers with even more search/sort data. And for being non-diffusive, I dunno, because it wouldn't really do any harm but it would also be pointless since user pages related to User Factbooks will always be in those categories. So I would say that Category:Users is neither comprehensive nor non-diffusive, but I'll hear you out on why you think otherwise.
 * Yeah, in the future I'll try to remember to contact you instead of just undoing an edit. I'm not really interested in starting a project like that right now, but believe me, I've had stuff like that on my to-do lists for a long, long time. It honestly wouldn't be terribly complicated but I don't like to start big projects like that, especially when I can't really fully commit to it. There are a lot of things that need adjusting, and they've also been that way for a long time so they don't feel as bad to me, I guess. But I do have a lot of attention for categories since most people don't edit them much and I think in a very logical, structured way that I think fits them.
 * Alliances is not defined as a non-diffusing category (as stated on WP, a note on the category page is the the least it should have), nor do I see why it should be. The expanded contents of will include all alliances, so there's no reason to duplicate the whole list in Category:Alliances.
 * Thanks and apologies again, and I'd be happy to continue discussing all this. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">21:37, Friday, 23 November 2012   &#32;

uhh... how do i put this in a way?
I Am Interested in making a portal for my nation, the Hispanic Republic, but i don't know how to. Could you mind giving me a link on how to make one? Chao101 (talk &bull; contribs) 17:09, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say take a look at the existing portals that are in Category:Portals and see how they're setup / laid out and adapt a style you like for your nation. :)&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     01:20,11/24/2012 (UTC)

--Princess Victoria (talk &bull; contribs) 18:16, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Team GIFs
Hi there,

I undid your edit to Alliance infobox short-term because I want to make sure this can be done. For example, File:Multi-Colored.gif does not exist. File:None.gif also doesn't exist. File:Multicolored.gif is also missing. I could go on, but in general, there's a lot of different ways to denote being multi-colored or having no official team, and it's prone to create a lot of redlinked files if you're not careful.

Anyway, just thought I'd leave you a note; up to you how to proceed. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * Thats easy. Upload a multicolored icon and redirects for the 18 other ways of spelling it to the file. There's no such thing as "none" anyway so that's not a worry.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     20:38,12/8/2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it'd be worth doing a redirect for it, too, no? I can't find an example right now, but I'm sure there are multicolored alliances that prefer to say they have 'no' team. <span style="font-size:xx-small; border-color:#FFD700; border-width:2px;background-color:#009530; border-style:groove; white-space:pre;">        Michael von Preußen  |  talk
 * There's only one "none" team alliance that i found The Chicken Party Alliance.&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     20:46,12/8/2012 (UTC)
 * People putting "None" poses a problem too because it's not a default option in the sense that there's no "none team history" page, or category for "none team alliances" and such. The rest of the stuff is sorted out though as in if people leave it blank it defaults to multi-colored anyway so File:Team.gif redirects to File:Multicolored team.gif because of that. If there's anything else you spot just give me a shout :)&#32;   Rogal  <span style="font-size:smaller;font-family:'Lucida Console';color:#016CCF;text-shadow:#016CCF .1em -.2em .7em">talk     20:52,12/8/2012 (UTC)


 * Just put it in a switch? Same thing it does for the category. And then fix people misusing it. That's what I always did. <span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:15px 0 0 15px; white-space:nowrap;">Bobogoobo | Talk | Nation &#32;<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:3px; padding-right:5px; border-radius:0 15px 15px 0; white-space:nowrap;">22:12, Saturday, 8 December 2012   &#32;